you call these things comments i call them essays they never ever ever ever end i mean seriously


and one more thing i am on team edward and team jacob



can there be one place in this world where people can talk freely without gettin criticised (dont know how to spell it) it's just stupid

<3 this

OMG!!!!!
i can't wait for june!!!!!!!
i'd love to see the tent scene too!!!!!!
can't wait!!! i want to see clip of the movie!!

All right, look people. I love NMM.org/EM.org. Love. Love. But I honestly debate daily just not coming on it anymore because of all this fighting. It's ridiculous. Yes, I am a complete supporter of Jacob. Does that mean that I think everyone on Team Edward is dumb and has no opinion? OF COURSE NOT. I have PLENTLY of vamp girl friends. I don't understand when you come on a FAN SITE and say things that you know will upset someone else. I love the characters as if they were real and don't want people to talk trash about them. EVEN Edward. But especially Jacob. I'm tired of it. I wish everyone could just keep the trash talking away from the site and move along. Realize that there are people who will not agree with you and you can't look at the series as completely black and white. Because it's not.

very true i lovvvveeeeee Taylor lautner aka jacob black ahhhhhhhhhhhhh

Stands and claps.

eclipse is my favorite & when it comes out i wanna jump up & down and have a fangirl moment by rushing home from the movie & talking 2 u girls..but IF i have to deal with this jacob bashing & people talking rudely about kristen because she believes her character is in love with jacob. than goodbye to this website. i truly love it i really do. but jacob is not a minor character for a reason in the this beloved saga. he plays an important part & that part is more than just being nessie's soulmate. blah im going on a rant a need to stop.
ILA we are the minority and i like it that way:-)

Oh I completely agree. I love Eclipse, and if people don't want to see that there is a love triangle, and Bella does realize she's in love with Jacob, then that's your opinion. Like I said earlier, you can think how you want, and the wolf girls/some vamp girls will think how we want, and we just won't argue. Because I'm tired of it.

Aw. RWTP. I like that we're the minority too. I don't know what I would do without you, JMNP, JIMH, ILW, BB, and all the rest of the wolf girls. :]

whatever. i guess if people will not start being nice we either join them or play on twitter. but we're better than that. so we can stick to twitter:-)

well said!!

We should all allow each other show their opinions and not bash them over it.

We all love the saga and should focus on that.

If you dont have something nice to say, DONT SAY IT!!

No one likes to be trashed for what they say and if any of u are like me, a closet twi-hard, then this is the only place for us to show our opinions. SO please dont scare/drive anyone away from this AWESOME site!!

Peace. Love. Twilight =D

That so reminds me of Thumper in Bambi : "If you can't say something nice... don't say nothing at all" :) Sorry, I'm a bit nostalgic :)

I'm not in the closet, but I definitely don't have any friends that are as obsessed as we all are. Lol.

And as much as I enjoy Twitter, I love this site too and miss coming to it so we can all talk. :]

Well said. Peace. Love. Twilight. :]

When did people start posting novels on NMM.org?

Sweet baby Jesus.

LOL!! So I was just thinking the exact same thing. ;]

great minds :)

So excited for Eclipse! The wolfpack are so funny. Can't wait to see the wolfpack with Leah and Seth added. I'm definately looking forward to seeing the tent scene.

"I'm sick of all this team nonsense though i admit that i'll fight team jacob fans to the death trying to prove that edward is better" I just want to say something to whoever said that: grow up please. we are all entitled to be on whatever team that pleases us. we don't need to be fought to death bc u happen to dislike jacob. :)

I love jacob and I think he's better than edward.... so? and you can talk for hours and post endless articles and stuff, I will STILL prefer jacob :)

I think a lot of people forget that at the end of the day, the Twilight Saga is all about heart. And no matter what, my heart says Jacob was the hero.

So I completely agree with you. I am so tired of having to defend our position. We love Jacob. And it's not going to change.

I don't ask people to not state their opinions, but I don't appreciate being called delusional for thinking J/B could've been.

Thank you gagaulala....interesting name you got there? :)

ok dudes this movies are all realy cool!!!!!!!!!
but the books are....well....absolutely cool!!!!!!
I have read eclipse in three days!!!!!
TWILIGHT IS THE BEST EVER!!!!!!!
tank you Stephanie Meyer for all!!!!!!
I am not part of any team.I just love the story!!!!
I don't understand why are thouse fans separateing in teams
it's just stupid.
Bella loves them bouth.if she wasn't love Jacob too Edward would kill him a long time ago. but he doesn't.why?because he would hurt Bella too.
ok......the true is that Edward is trying much more than Jacob.......
that's a realy hard choise......but it's going to be perfect at the end os series!!!!!
I'm sorry for my english...I'm a little sad....because it is having an end.........
TWILIGHT IS THE BEST EVER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

For me there is no love triangle, an example of the love triangle is that of Beautiful ... Ridge which divides, in every way possible, between Brooke and Taylor .... but in the Twilight saga is not quite so '... Bella is different from that Ridge does not know whom to stay and try all 2 ...

The only choice is Edward ... indeed it is not even a choice .. so just ... Jacob just by its nature and destiny, could never be a choice .. if it was or if it was really part of a love triangle ... Mayer would have done the 'imprinting on Bella ... then it would be another story ....

But for the Team Jacob ... make it yourself a reason ... and try to learn not to confuse what you would like from reality '

But for the Team Jacob ... make it yourself a reason ... and try to learn not to confuse what you would like from reality '

LOL.

i'm100% Team Edward, read the 4 books at least 3 times (eclipse 4 times). What seems to be the problem is that jacob is meant to be with reneesme. maybe i'm crazy but i think that this love that grows between bella and jacob has 2 reasons:
1- jacob was her "sun" when she needed something to hold on to and it put him in a special (and very small) place in her heart.
2- the "magic" of the imprinting. To me it's like she loved him and couldn't let him go becouse he was meant to be with reneesme, like fate. Even that they didn't know yet, there was something on the way for him and they just were forced to be together despite all the hurt it caused to them. So, there was never a love triangle. There was a misunderstanding. In BD Bella keeps saying that there might be a reason for all that, remember, guys?

PS: sorry for the english, i'm from brazil, working very hard to make myself clear. lol

what you said goes along with Breaking dawn. bella had told jacob that they were supposed to be in each other's lives as family not in a romantic way. when they fell in love things got off track and out of balance because Bella and Edward are soulmates and jacob/renesmee are soulmates. Jacob told bella that the reason they had to be together from the beginning was because of renesmee.

As far as the love triangle i don't see it either. As many times as i read the book i am still looking for it and i have yet to find it. I also never saw where bella was torn between Edward/jacob. She always knew the relationship she wanted with edward(romantic) and the one she wanted with Jacob(friendship).

The moment bella realized she was in love with jacob she knew two things:
1)Nothing had changed between her and edward because what she felt for jacob was nowhere near what she felt for edward.
2)She would have to say goodbye to jacob because the only kind of relationship she wanted was that of friendship. This is more proof that bella was never in conflict or torn. if bella had been in conflict when she did not know her true feelings for jacob, then she would have been even more conlicted/torn in realizing that her true feelings for jacob are that of love.

Don't worry about your english. I understand you. my husband went to brazil years ago and he loved it. of course he was single at that time so he would love it.lol
:)

lol!!
Brazil is great for couples two! maybe you can come someday!
kisses!

I want to add one thing: The only person / character who loves fully and disinterested, that even when wrong, it does so in good faith and only thinking about the good of the loved one, without personal gain, ready to give up everything ... unique in the whole saga is Edward .... more or less ... are all selfish, Jacob and Bella both .... Jacob first, of course ... always ready to ready to feel guilty Bella ... Love doesn't conquer in this way, exhausted people in distress or in gratitude ... Breaking Down in fact is it clear why 'of suffering for Bella to Jacob ... where its happy end? she ask.. ... you are wrong for that ... every time I see him suffer, because 'she knows that being the responsible in some way for his selfishness, as they accused several times in Eclipse, even against Edward ... Guilt always ...

Love, the real one, has to breathe free .. instinctive, spontaneous, must be what upsets you ... for better or for worse,
love simple and quiet, but by much less shock, is a love-league .... and imagine a family for 5 seconds does not make him the love of your life ... just a thought ... love is Edward STOP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

You are right. :( thanks for posting this. LOVE is Edward...the only truly SELFLESS character. That is why we love Edward so much.

again...thx for the post.

UGH! some of these comments...its almost like some people forgot there are jacob fans on here and we NEVER read/saw jacob as "a manipultive, male chauvantist pig" (in the words of some) or through out the whole saga. some of us saw jacob completely opposite. which is fine we are all entitled to our own opinions/interpretation of the books (same for the actors..they're fans 1st i believe) i understand they have a job to do(and for me they have done a phenomenal job to bring these characters to life for us). but those few clips we got from the cast on eclipse makes me EXTREMELY nervous for the actually release of the movie. i felt after NM we all came on here & had a decent/respectful conversation/analysis of our movie hopefully we can keep that same vibe for eclipse. HOPEFULLY.

Agreed. If we only unleashed our snarky feelings about Edward...and yes, we have some. But no. For the most part we're polite. And when I refer to "we're" I'm referring to the pack girls who have been on these boards for quite awhile.

So I too hope that others can be respectful of one another because this post is showing a lot of ugliness again.

exactly, i also feel they're really nice vamps on here as well (thats why i keep coming back for the respect) but gosh this post...i mean some ppl believe in the triangle/some do not (same for the actors apparently). so just because they did not interpret the book like you did does not mean for people to bash others opinions. its ironic to me..i always see vamp girls whine how jacob fans complain about edward & yet everyday its either me ignoring comments or actually battling..i would say im pretty sure none of us denies bella's world wind love for edward but geez! im tired of the denying love for jacob. its old.

some people are just very passionate lol. but ya i agree tho...we shouldn't be bashing on other people's comments...it should remain constructive and understanding...may not agree but can respect their opinion.

AND..there is no denying love for jacob. it's there and so much that it got me irritated while i was reading those parts. lol.
because after all, she shouldn't of kissed him when she knew she would end up with edward, like they've said in the book also.

but the whole triangle, no triangle, she loves him, she loves him not, the actors don't know the saga argument is getting out of hand. lol.

we all have different views and let's just try to respect that. if you want to correct someone's facts, then that's cool..do it respectfully but don't try to correct their opinions.

i wanted to post this link for kristen's interview. a diff interview.. i know she says different things in all of them but they pretty much have the same idea..... WATCH IT PEOPLE. LOL. SHE UNDERSTANDS.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l5xikagE3xI
at 1:47 into the video. she talks about jake and how bella feels about him.

Also from VH1, parts of an interview...she reiterates again...lol
[Sounding a bit like a Vegas bookie, the actress was eager to explore the advantages of both sides. "On paper, I think Jacob's probably better for her. There's ease. He's her best friend. She's always smiling around him. She's safe with him," Stewart observed. "But there's just something about Edward. It's just that sort of indescribable thing that she can't live without. I think, put in that position, I would have to go with Edward because that's [undeniable]."]

That's just two but there's more people.
i just think it's funny because everyone is getting so worked up. lol

she can kiss Jake, she can kiss a frog, or whatever lol triangle or no triangle, but the only way she'll end up with someone else is if they change it in the movie and that's a big NO NO. LOL.

Eclipse is good, it's controversial. but Breaking dawn is my fav, there's no confusion about feelings, time to ease everyone's heartache with renesmee.

yes breaking dawn ties it up nicely. makes it clear to those who are confused or not sure who belongs with who. It defines edward and bella's relationship and bella and jacobs. Jacob says to bella I will love you the right way. meaning that jacob finally understand that loving bella as more than a friend was a mistake. it was the wrong way to love her because nessie is his soulmate not bella. :)

This is a good interview, I hadn't seen it before. Yes, I think Kristen understands that Bella has a different kind of love for Jacob than she has for Edward. Her relationship with Jake is easy, and they interact on a best-friend level. I don't see why everyone is getting so worked up about the triangle--we all know what happens in the end, right! Being Team Edward, I think that some of the anxiety produced by New Moon (the movie, more than the book), was the heightened emphasis of the love triangle. But of course Summit is doing this for the $$$--they want to please the Taylor fans as well as the Rob fans, and they want to sell a lot of tickets to Eclipse (which they will). So in some ways they are over-emphasizing the competition b/w Edward and Jacob in cast interviews, in promos, etc.

For Eclipse to work as a film, there needs to be a tension there--this is how suspense is built and how the audience becomes invested in the proceedings. My only concern is that Eclipse will end in the same way as New Moon--with the newborn battle, J/B kiss, Bella break-down, and too little "relationship re-building" time with Edward. In NM this is the main complaint, I think, of Team E fans; and in order for Breaking Dawn to work, the audience needs to be back on Team Edward. I think that one of the main reasons that SM developed the B/J narrative is because it helps to show the strength of Bella and Edward's love, and ultimately justifies their marriage and her change. If Bella had never experienced another love, her choice wouldn't have been as meaningful, and indeed might be read as immature. By the time Eclipse ends, we have faith that she does know what she wants and we, like Edward, come to trust her judgement. She is no longer a starry-eyed naive kid, she is a woman who knows her heart and can move forward without regrets. So, that, in my opinion, is the purpose of the love triangle, at least in the books. I hope that Eclipse the movie can capture its essence and spends time re-building the connection that B/E have in Twilight. If not, it will seriously damage B.D.

If Bella had never experienced another love, her choice wouldn't have been as meaningful, and indeed might be read as immature. By the time Eclipse ends, we have faith that she does know what she wants and we, like Edward, come to trust her judgement. She is no longer a starry-eyed naive kid, she is a woman who knows her heart and can move forward without regrets.

I so agree with you. .
By the way are you on fanfiction. there is a story there i'm reading "best laid plans" is that yours. :)

oh exactly! i agree with everything u said.

it's the media. they have to hype it up and generate some type of response or else it'll just be boring. as they talk about how jacob and edward are battling for bella's love in the movie, they want all the fans to battle too! lol. and everyone is from what i can see. lol. it's funny the gossip that springs forward when there's supposed to be tension between characters. like that crap about how kristen and robert were forced to sit apart at new moon comic-con..or how robert is jealous of taylor and kristen's new bond...and the never ending quest to find out if kristen and robert are dating...omg don't even get me started on that. lol. it's so crazy.

and the stars do so many interviews, i really do think they get tired of answering the same questions over and over again. so i think they try to word things diff and it might come off as bad and people get all freaked out. lol. but like i showed u, she still has the same idea. so let's all pop a midol and relaxxx. lol.

but ya i am hoping for the same thing u are, for this movie to be portrayed correctly. because yes, we alllll know what happens in the end! so it doesn't really matter to me how much of a spin they put on the whole jacob/bella love, because it is IMPORTANT. as long as they don't overdo it to where it doesn't follow the book then cool.
because i'm just really waiting for breaking dawn...all the crazy stuff happens in that one!!

LMAO: "pop a midol and relaxxx." I love it. I'm seriously going to try and not think too much about Eclipse until we get more info, and even then perhaps I'll restrain myself from watching spoilers and cast interviews, because in the end it just makes me mad! But you really have to feel for the cast; imagine if everything that came out of your mouth was being dissected by millions of people. No matter what you say, you're going to p*** someone off. And I do think that, especially Rob and Kristen, are a little creeped out by all of the fans (sad). But the way people react I guess you can't blame them.

But really it's their fault for being so darned attractive and interesting. LOL :P

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I have no words..... Kristen .....read the books....again ....again...again......and don't emphasize the things....resize....pleaseeeeeeeeeeeeee ___ i'm italian , sorry 4 my english :(

Ps: to honest, I'm Team Edward, even if I don't like the history of the team .. but in life you see things as they are and not as we would like .... here 'there is only one true love ... THE ONLY ONE:: EDWARD AND BELLA ..... I'm sorry for everyone else .... It's important to be convinced .... but the books are clear .... who do not understand is why does not want them to understand


All this rumor about eclipse in this way it sounds bad ... and even though it may seem like an idiotic .... I have a bad feeling that will impact 'on the 2010 MTV Movie Awards that even those of 2011, maybe not for best actor, I hope ... but certainly for the best kiss ... team jacob will vote 'against Edward in 2010, and 2011 ... win 'jacob bella... on paper ... Thanks to all this sponsorship ... therefore 'also remain faithful to the saga .... Let us also hear them and not let us handle .... Remember please and thank I hope that I explained

you can say it in italian and i would have understood.:)
yes there is only one love bella and edward. SM always said that bella's destiny is edward.

Looks like you have plenty of words.

I wish everyone would just read this article and realize that there is no love triangle and that we really need to stop debating who is better for bella

http://blog.zap2it.com/frominsidethebox/2009/11...

The fact is...jake and edward are both great guys but they are both meant to be with different women. Jake with renesme and edward with bella.

i like the article because it is coming from someone who is objective and not on team Edward. She definitely understood the book.

Never heard of them...plus I see something like that posted every other day here. It's not new.

Why does it bother you that there are Jacob fans? Why can't you get over the fact and realize people will like some characters better than others? I think you need to come to grips that this is a place where everyone has their own opinion on the series, both books and movies and nobody likes to have someone's opposing viewpoints shoved down their throats repeatedly. Thanks.

hmm..more action..less love? i'm not suprised.
i just hope eclipse takes the saga up a whole nother notch *wink*
& it has a 'sure sure' line in it!!!
&...ok i'm not even gonna make a list of expectations today..*sigh*

but that kiss b/t Taylor & Kristen better be passionate & as 'uncareful' as possible!!!!!!

Amen lol I wanna see some unbridled DANG Eddie doesn't kiss me like that kind of action on that kiss

YESS!!! because she said she didn't have to be careful w/ jake & he certainly wasn't being careful with her *screams*
after seeing their chemistry in new moon i know they can pull it off!!! they better suck the lips off each other!!! NO HOLDING BACK lmao

so, Taylor saying his favorite scene in the saga is the tent scene makes me excited! I can't wait to see Eclipse!! And Kristen saying that her character realizes she is in love with Jacob is a bit scary. Bella is supposed to be torn, but Edward is her main man. It's just the way it is.

They all talk so much about all the action and fighting scenes in Eclipse, it's starting to worry me. We better get the darn romance scenes too! And I agree with whomever wrote earlier in this post that Kristen needs to reread the book. Bella had feelings for Jacob... but not like Edward, he is her soulmate, she makes that perfectly clear. Kristen never talks about that in interviews. And I'm hoping she puts forth more emotions towards Edward than she did in New Moon. That's what we're here for sister!!

yeah, i agree of course. I just don't get what is so hard to understand about the story. In eclipse, there is a war, but there is still a lot of romance so to say there is less love, more war is a load of BS.

Then you got kstew, who i swear makes jacob and hers relationship sound so much different than the book maybe just b/c in reall life she is BFF with lautner so maybe she doesn't want to hurt his feelings. Bella IS NOT in love with jacob in new moon and she is not denying everything...her heart still only had enough room for edward. She could not open up to jake at this point. In eclipse, we know she admits shes in love with him...but absolutely in love..please kstew don't make me laugh. Bella's love for jacob is really not true (i still don't agree that she is in love with jacob) and i think she just forces herself to be in love with him cuz she is sick of hurting his feelings. But in breaking dawn, its not like she ever thinks of jacob in a romantic way again. Yes she loves him, but more like how a friend loves a friend. But still meyer saying that bella is in love with jacob may mean far more to our modern society, but when u think about the world of twilight, u realize that the word "in love" does not mean the same thing. Bella is not in love with edward...she is so much more than just in love . So bella being in love with jake means nothing to me, cuz she just goes right back to crying to edward cuz she knows edward is her life.

Lautner seems to think his whole character is all about the love triangle and about bella being torn, but that is a load of crap. The love triangle does finally come to life towards the end of eclipse, but as soon as bella kisses jacob, its dispelled immediately cuz bella knows she loves edward way too much and jacob is finally able to cope with the fact that he will not be with bella...he's just happy that he got bella to admit that she's in love with him. Cuz jake just loves his games. But, when lautner was asked about BD, it was like he forgot that his true love is a baby cuz he is just so caught up with the love triangle, that he doesn't understand the true meaning of all the saga.

Just really makes me mad that summit and the actors cannot see the real themes in the movie like the fans do. New moon was pretty good to me and it stayed pretty much on point. Yeah i thought everybodies emotions could have been a little better and more accurate, but i was just happy that the movie followed the book cuz if u listened the actors interviews u were going into the movie thinking that new moon was gonna send u out with an entirely different message.

In the end, the actors are great, but they really don't understand the themes of these movies that they are shooting for us fans.

I don't think you read the kiss scene correctly. To me it came across as Bella knowing that she was meant for Jacob. She even says that. In a regular world, without vampires and werewolves, Jacob and Bella would have been together. When she kisses Jacob, she kisses him back because she is "in love" with him, she just loves Edward more. She pictures the life her and Jacob would have had together. I don't think the love triangle dispenses immediately when she kisses him, and I don't think Lautner is delusional like you seem to be suggesting. I also disagree that Jake just "loves his games". I think Jacob is honestly in love with her. If you think Edward wasn't "playing the game" too, then you haven't been paying attention to what YOU'VE been reading.

if bella knew that she and jacob belonged together then why did she not leave edward and go to jacob. she loves edward more but feels that she and jacob belong together. I don t understand that. if she felt that way why does she say that her and edward belong together. why is she 100% sure of edward when she is walking down the aisle to marry him. and how her world was upside down but came together when she marries him. does not sound to me like she felt that she and jacob belong together.

Maybe in a normal world she and jacob could have been together not would have. bella did not fall in love with jacob she had no attraction for him at all. things could have happened that bella and jacob would not have been together. she could have gone off to college and never have started anything with him. when renee settled in florida she wanted bella to go back with her. the only reason bella stayed in forks was because of edward. my point is that any number of things could have happened and jacob and bella would never have been together . it is not as if she fell in love with him and then met edward. jacob had a crush on her and she only saw him as a nice boy. jacob is not bella's destiny. she even came to realize in breaking dawn that when their feelings turned romantic they got off track out of balance. why would she say that if she knew that jacob and her belonged together.
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The reason I never responded to this comment is for this exact reasoning. I know that you will never see the wolf girls opinion, and me, BB, and ILW will obviously never agree with you. It's fine. You can think what you want to think and we will think what we want to think. I'm sure you can find a million people to agree with you, as can we, so how about we all drop it and just leave the whole thing alone?

i can along with that. honestly the whole thing is ridiculous.

Type your reply...

I think your interpretation of Bella seeing Jake as a "nice boy" is a little off.

Bella's relationship with Jacob is lot more complex than what a lot of Edward fans would like to admit. Yes, it started as an innocent friendship on Bella's part. Well, more of a distraction, but you get my point. Everyday that Jacob worked on mending Bella's soul it became more than that. Everyday she spent with him, she wondered if one day she could heal and give him what he deserved. All of this was obviously interrupted by Edward's return in New Moon.

In Eclipse, we see Bella reluctant to give up her relationship with Jacob. Hesitant to really commit her life to Edward. Was the love she had for Jacob equal to the one she had for Edward? I don't think you'll ever find a Jacob fan who will answer that with a Yes. But we will argue until we're blue in the face that Bella WAS in love in Jacob. She wouldn't admit it in New Moon, but she flat out announces it Eclipse. I don't think that it can be written away as a friendly, brotherly love. I am sorry, but I don't kiss or imagine having children with my brother.

Was Bella ever really meant for Jacob? Maybe, in a world with no monsters and magic. But that wasn't the world they lived in. Still, it doesn't take from that love, or make it any less real.

Edit: The only reason I don't think Bella is 100% meant for Jacob? He deserves better.

" All of this was obviosuly interrupted by Edward's return in New Moon."

of course because edward and bella belong together. bella was the one who went to italy to save him. edward is the one she wants.

From SM website:
http://www.stepheniemeyer.com/



"I wrote New Moon and Eclipse after I wrote Forever Dawn, which is pretty much the rough draft of Breaking Dawn. So I always knew Bella's destiny was with Edward...,,, I do know what would have happened if Bella hadn't jumped off the cliff that day, but I always knew that was a could-have-been that wasn't the right way to go.

What you refer to as interuption SM refers to as bella's destiny. Notice Jacob/bella was not the right way to go.

Edit: The only reason I don't think Bella is 100% meant for Jacob? He deserves better

of course so he imprints on a baby. so much better.

Reread my comment i never said she did not fall in love with jacob. as a matter of fact i have posted several times that she did fall in love in new moon. right below this post i said that she fell in love with jacob.

Interruption is a simple word. All I meant is whatever could've happened was stilled by his return. Never said Edward wasn't her destiny or that Jacob was better for her.

As for the imprinting-Though I hate the idea of it, as I hate that it steals people's free will, please don't make it sound sordid when referring to Nessie/Jake. It was surely fantastical, but it goes right along with the rest of the story, doesn't it? You yourself said SM isn't rational, right?

never said SM is not rational i was asking if she was being irrational because she did not go with the jacob/bella.

as far as imprinting i don't see it as sordid. i see nothing wrong with it. i only mentioned it in retaliation to you making bella out to be not worthy of jacob with the comment jacob deserves better than bella.

childish of me. yes i know.

sorry if i came too strong.

I think he deserves someone that will love him the way Bella loves Edward. And please don't be one of these people who claim imprinting is only romantic love, and therefore gross because he imprinted on a baby, because it is clearly explained that it's not romantic feelings in the book.

i know that spectra. i get defensive when someone tries to make bella look as if bella is not good enough. people like to blame bella and make her look like the bad one when she is not. that is why i said it. just trying to be smart. that was all. i perfectly understand the imprinting and i'm not like those who find it gross.don't pay attention to me. just being childish.
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lol okay. :)

Yeah, I don't like that either. I like Bella. I found her easy to relate to, and I understand the choices she made.

You scared me for a second. I was starting to think you were one of "THOSE" people. lol :)

the first time bella saw jacob was in twilight she saw him as a nice enthusiastic kid. that is what i was referring too. new moon was not the first time she saw him.. the point that i was trying to make was not bella did not fall in love with jacob in twilight. so no one can say that they would have been together.

Where in my comment did i say that bella did not fall in love with jacob. no where do you see that.

Well, excuse me, but I thought this conversation thread was about Eclipse. Please forgive my gross misapprehension.

Obviously, Bella had no romantic interest in Jacob in Twilight. Never did I say that.

As for what you said and did not say, this is DIRECTLY copied and pasted from your comment above:

bella did not fall in love with jacob she had no attraction for him at all.

i meant from twilight the first book.
she had no attraction.

if you look further down i made a comment that bella did fall in love with jacob in new moon. i never said she did not. read the comments carefully because you misunderstood everything i said about bella and jacob being together in a real world. people tend to jump as soon as they think that someone is saying that bella did not love jacob, without stopping to undestand what the person is trying to say.

I appreciate the edit. ;]

Aww, sweets, I thought you would!! We agree, if Eddiepuss had never returned, Bella and Jacob could've had a wonderful life. I think most rational people could admit that.

Or wait, are all wolf girls deranged psychos building Jake-based fairy tales in our heads? LOL

definitely deranged psychos. I speak from personal experience! LOL

I definitely think that Edward and Bella are the right couple.. but I do hate what Bella did to Jake.

Even though she was very up front with him, she still led him on *wails*

"I knew he loved me, and I also knew I wouldn't stop him from trying.." pg i-dont-really-know

The thing is I have never said I think Jacob should've been with her and not Edward. It's what I wanted for Jake, not because I believed Bella to be the best thing since sliced bread, but because he wanted it so bad. But I always knew as long as Edward was alive, it was not meant to be. Hale, as long as magic existed, it was not meant to be.

I can't understand why people persist on making it seem Jacob fans are crazies. And you know what, eff it! If we are, so are you! Cause we're actually sitting here having a discussion about this! LOL And you're the craziest, miss I am laughing so hard I need my inhaler before I die! LMAO!

RU-FI-OOOOOOOOOOOO!!! JORTS!!

Ah, I miss that, too.

We're all crazy, we are obsessed with Twilight. What more could there be, right?

CHEF KIYARDEEEEEEEEE!!!! Good times, good times...ah, it's awesome being a crazy twihard! :D

I wrote New Moon and Eclipse after I wrote Forever Dawn, which is pretty much the rough draft of Breaking Dawn. So I always knew Bella's destiny was with Edward...,,, I do know what would have happened if Bella hadn't jumped off the cliff that day, but I always knew that was a could-have-been that wasn't the right way to go.

according to SM bella/jacob was not the right way to go.
http://www.stepheniemeyer.com/

Hmmm.....why was it not the right way to go?
could it be because they would not have a wonderful life like you deluded yourself into thinking simply because you refuse to accept the fact that edward is bella's destiny. or is it because unlike most people SM is not rational.

I'm sorry to butt in. and i know this is not my convo or anything. but if i can say something please read:
there's no need to fight, you both love the same: THE TWILIGHT SAGA. the site is made for bringing our love for the saga together. that doesn't mean that we all gonna love the same things, or that we all gonna be in the same team. it really doesn't matter in wich team we are in, but we and i mean ALL OF US have to respect each other opinions. maybe i agree with you or maybe i disagree but the important thing here is keeping the site as frioendly as possible. If us that have one thing in common(twilight saga) can't make peace with each other how we can expect the world having peace?. I am not saying who's guility or anything, i'm just saying: girls let's spread the love!!! look i know u don't care about this but my country is in a critical situaton because of the hate, hate don't lead to good things. Let's just chill and try to be friends ok? if we disagree then let's just respect others ppl opinion. we cannot expect the whole world understanding the things like we do.

again: LET'S SPREAD THE LOVE GIRLS!!!

know u don't care about this but my country is in a critical situaton because of the hate

what country do you live in if you don't mind my asking?

no, i don't mind at all.I live in Honduras

sorry about the last line, LOL i replied via email and was not a good idea haha

that's ok.
My husband is from Tela Honduras. I'm hoping that one day we can go and visit. I heard Isla Roatan is beautiful. yes I know things are not well there. I feel you. I don t think some of us realize how good we have it here living in U.S.
:)

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REALLY?!?!?! i live like an hour away from Tela. Yes! Islas de la Bahia are beyond beautiful, hope you can come someday you will like it.yeah things are better now but last months have been really crazy and yes, you are right, you are lucky to notbeing around this crazyness.
again sorry for the last line that i know my stupid mail will post
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you are not butting in because you are right.
and i respect everyone's opinion because i am not on any team. but if i make a comment and in your response you tell me that i am overlooking the facts that is not respecting my opinion. when we respond we need to be carefull how we are coming across. because we should be able to express our opinion whithout being offensive. i'm only human im not perfect. if my response is not offensive in any way why should yours be. (i'm not talking about you of course)
:)

ok, thanks!

Since when does one assume that when someone says “the right way for the direction of the character” that that means that it was the best outcome? Those two are not mutually exclusive. We’re talking fictional people here…so again how do you assume that J/B would not have had a good life together? The only glimpse into that was Bella’s vision when Bella and Jacob were kissing and she saw her potential future with him. Again, that’s just a presumption too, so your point, if you have one, doesn’t mean much because it’s based off of your own assumptions.

this coming from someone who does not understand the characters or the books. my point may not mean much to you. but of course it would not because you're not openminded. if you were you would have a better understanding of the characters especially bella and the books. and don't talk about my assumptions when you take little things and interpret them the wrong way because that is how you wished it were.
I was able to make out somethings of what you said. the rest is incoherent.

That is not fair at all to state I do not understand the characters. Who are
you to tell me so? Certainly not SM. For one laying judgment on me for not
being open-minded, I'd say that that was a pretty "close-minded" remark. Pot
calling kettle?

Anyway I could care less what you think of me so I'm going to drop this
conversation because you've taken it too far by the increasingly rude tone
in your replies.

yes you are right by tone was getting rude. i am mature enought to admit that. but you were the one you started the comment about how i overlooked facts simply because you thought that i was saying that bella did not love jacob. that is not what i was saying. give me the benefit of the doubt. the comment that you made about me overlooking facts was a little way off. your tone was also rude. so, like you said lets drop it and call it a truce.

You failed to read a big part of that sentence-- COULD'VE. Not a sure or a given.

You have never and will never see me say Bella and Edward weren't meant to be. All I said is if Edward hadn't returned (not that I believe it was better that he hadn't) things COULD'VE worked out with Bella and Jacob.

Again, please don't try to twist my words to fit what you want them to mean.

i am not twisting your words to fit what i want them to mean.
according to you only people who are rational will admit that bella and jacob could've had a wonderful life. i on the otherhand dont think that they could've had a wonderful life if edward had not returned. so does that mean that i am irrational because i don t feel that way.

that is why i quoted from SM because she herself is saying that bella/jacob is the wrong way to go. because edward and bella together so she would not have a wonderful life with jacob. she would always be longing for her true love edward who is her destiny and not jacob.

You are missing my point entirely. Yes, people could be rational if they choose to be about this story. Sometimes I decide to be (just my personality), but other people can't and that's ok. Because at the heart of it all, it's pure fantasy, romance, and magic. Most days, I can live with that. I did fall in love, after all, with a fictional character. All I am trying to say, and I am not bashing others if they choose not to see it this way, is that if we take away all the supernatural aspects of soulmates, and destiny, and imprinting, then maybe, just maybe, Jake and Bella could've had a chance.

pshwshpwshwsh...

We all have our opinions- can't we all be friendly about how we exert them? :)

i have been nothing but friendly in my opinions. before people jump to conclusions they need to understand what they read.

It looks like this case has already been closed- there was a rude tone with all parties involved, and I'm just glad it is fixed and over with.

thank you for saying that there was a rude tone with all parties involved. i had already admitted in a comment that i was rude. in the furure i need to handle it better. lesson learned.:)

You're totally misunderstanding what ilovealphas was saying. If Edward was never around....Jacob and Bella could have easily been "the one" for each other. They were "kindred spirits" right from the beginning. It's interesting how you have totally seemed to overlook this fact since it's printed out on the pages of the books.
Also to address one of your points...if you recall Edward was the one pressuring Bella to get married. One can view her reluctance to commit because her emotions were split...not necessarily half and half but they were split. She loved Jacob. Bella says this. SM says this. Believe it or not, one person can love more than one person...parents are able to do that with children, the same can go for adults with each other. This isn't a Disney fairytale. It got messy between the three of them, and a big reason was because Bella wasn't aware of her deeper feelings for Jacob. She couldn't let him go because she loved him. She needed to address it, confront Jacob from a place of true realization...once she did they moved on.

One can view her reluctance to commit because her emotions were split

wrong!
bella explains to edward, and she is being honest, her views on marriage and the reason for her reluctancePg. 275 eclipse

http://www.twilightmoms.com/media/interviews/st...

Steph: 1. Bella is conditioned to be anti-marriage. Her problem is 25% embarrassment, 25% an inability to understand why marriage is necessary, 25% pure stubbornness, and 25% loyalty to Renee’s opinions.

no where does SM mention that bella's reluctance is due to her emotions being split.

bella already commited herself to become a vampire which is way huge than marriage, so that she can be with edward for eternity. the fact that alice continued to see bella as a vampire means that bella never wavered from her decision to be with edward. it does not make sense that she is still on her course to become a vampire to be with him but yet she is reluctant to commit in marriage because her emotions are split. would nt she be reluctant to become a vampire as well.

pg 435
"there were some things that have changed ..i was ready to join his world...there were some things that had not changed and that included the desperate way i loved him...".

and with that i rest my case.!!

Well since you took the time to write out a lengthy response I’ll do the same.

QUOTE: “I understood what she was saying. If edward never existed.
if you read the comment again i am saying that things could have happened where jacob and bella would not have been together. there is a diffrence between could and would. Could is maybe. would is definite. no one can say that it definitely WOULD have happened. which is what the commentator said.
please tell me where in my comment did i say that bella did not fall in love with jacob. I am always saying that she did fall in love with him. when i said nice kid i was referring to the first time she saw him in twilight..”

Well, in response to your request you have this sentence: “bella did not fall in love with jacob she had no attraction for him at all.”
Which is wrong…and if you were trying to get across a different point then you need to learn how to punctuate.

QUOTE: “Let me quote from Breaking dawn from jacob himself as to the reason that they had to be together something that you obviously overlooked since you felt the need to to tell me that i overlook facts.: PG 451

"that was her (Renesmee) from the very beginning. We had to be together, even then. .

"Because you told me this . you said we belonged in each other's life. that is how you and i are supposed to be as family."

pg 433 Bella POV
"Then he smiled his familiar smile, the smile of a kindred spirit,,,, it was just like before, when we were hanging out in his homemade garage... easy and normal..He was just my friend the way it was supposed to be."

But we aren’t talking about BD we’re talking about the events up to the kiss in Eclipse.

QUOTE: “Jacob and bella were still kindred spirits. Yet jacob's soulmate is nessie not bella. bella's soulmate is edward not jacob. being kindred spirits does not mean that you are soulmates or that you are easily "the one" for each other. you can have a soulmate and a kindred spirit with someone else. so the point is just because they were kindred spirits from the beginning does not mean that they would have been together even in a real world. kindred spirit does not necesarily mean that you are meant for one another.”

Thanks for the info…although it isn’t anything I didn’t know. I personally do NOT believe in one and only one soulmate though. I think it is a very immature concept. And even though I’m married I believe I’m capable of loving more than one person if something were to happen in my lifetime, and the same goes for my husband. There are different degrees of love, you can’t measure that.

QUOTE: “Also to address one of your points...if you recall Edward was the one pressuring Bella to get married. One can view her reluctance to commit because her emotions were split...not necessarily half and half but they were split. HUH????
What does that have to do with the marriage comment i made what exactly is your point.
What does "bella being 100% sure of edward.and how her life which was upside down came together when she met him at the alter" have to do with edward "pressuring "her to marry him. the bottom line is that she is 100% sure of him. "pressure" or no "pressure". “

I’m not sure why I have to explain this since I already did. Eclipse if full of Bella not wanting to get married…that’s what other people do, not her. You said Bella was 100% sure when she was walking down the aisle. Yes, she was at that point…but she wasn’t mid-way through Eclipse. Her emotions “could” be looked on as if they were split not just because the idea of marriage wasn’t pleasant. She needed to kiss Jake, she needed that discussion with him at the end to be 100% on her wedding day.

On to your double response….

QUOTE: “One can view her reluctance to commit because her emotions were split
wrong!
bella explains to edward, and she is being honest, her views on marriage and the reason for her reluctancePg. 275 eclipse

http://www.twilightmoms.com/media/interviews/st...

Steph: 1. Bella is conditioned to be anti-marriage. Her problem is 25% embarrassment, 25% an inability to understand why marriage is necessary, 25% pure stubbornness, and 25% loyalty to Renee’s opinions.
no where does SM mention that bella's reluctance is due to her emotions being split.”

Back to this again? See above…and I said “one COULD look at it”… which some people do. Who are you to tell me or anyone else for that matter what to think in regards to a FICTIONAL story?

QUOTE: “bella already commited herself to become a vampire which is way huge than marriage, so that she can be with edward for eternity. the fact that alice continued to see bella as a vampire means that bella never wavered from her decision to be with edward. it does not make sense that she is still on her course to become a vampire to be with him but yet she is reluctant to commit in marriage because her emotions are split. would nt she be reluctant to become a vampire as well.

pg 435
"there were some things that have changed ..i was ready to join his world...there were some things that had not changed and that included the desperate way i loved him...".”

Just because there could have been a small part of Bella holding her back in Eclipse…because whether you want to admit it or not, she wasn’t giving her 100% to Edward during most of that book…doesn’t mean that Bella was wavering in her decision to become a vamp. And if you recall Bella didn’t CHOOSE to become a vamp, she had to because she got pregnant and she would die….point being that Bella turning into a vamp wasn’t because of her commitment it was necessary to keep her around.

QUOTE: “and with that i rest my case.!!”

Thank goodness.

ok. if you say so. I however understood what i read.

I understood what she was saying. If edward never existed.
if you read the comment again i am saying that things could have happened where jacob and bella would not have been together. there is a diffrence between could and would. Could is maybe. would is definite. no one can say that it definitely WOULD have happened. which is what the commentator said.

please tell me where in my comment did i say that bella did not fall in love with jacob. I am always saying that she did fall in love with him. when i said nice kid i was referring to the first time she saw him in twilight..

Let me quote from Breaking dawn from jacob himself as to the reason that they had to be together something that you obviously overlooked since you felt the need to to tell me that i overlook facts.: PG 451

"that was her (Renesmee) from the very beginning. We had to be together, even then. .

"Because you told me this . you said we belonged in each other's life. that is how you and i are supposed to be as family."

pg 433 Bella POV

"Then he smiled his familiar smile, the smile of a kindred spirit,,,, it was just like before, when we were hanging out in his homemade garage... easy and normal..He was just my friend the way it was supposed to be."

Jacob and bella were still kindred spirits. Yet jacob's soulmate is nessie not bella. bella's soulmate is edward not jacob. being kindred spirits does not mean that you are soulmates or that you are easily "the one" for each other. you can have a soulmate and a kindred spirit with someone else. so the point is just because they were kindred spirits from the beginning does not mean that they would have been together even in a real world. kindred spirit does not necesarily mean that you are meant for one another.

Also to address one of your points...if you recall Edward was the one pressuring Bella to get married. One can view her reluctance to commit because her emotions were split...not necessarily half and half but they were split. HUH????

What does that have to do with the marriage comment i made what exactly is your point.

What does "bella being 100% sure of edward.and how her life which was upside down came together when she met him at the alter" have to do with edward "pressuring "her to marry him. the bottom line is that she is 100% sure of him. "pressure" or no "pressure". her world was no longer upside down. when she met him at the altar and charlie placed her hand in edward's she was "Home" If bella knew she was meant for jacob like ilovealphas(SST) said then she would not have been 100% sure of edward. and if you read on bella twice mentions that edward and her belong together. so how is it that she felt that jacob and her were meant for each other. that does not make sense.

Kristen is saying what S. Meyer has been saying.. and since it came from her originally, it's not wrong. Bella fell in love with Jake in New Moon, but wasn't aware of it because of the magnitude of her depression. In Eclipse, yes, most of the time she was aware Edward was the one she truly wanted... but she wavered *because* she was in love with Jake. And she was absolutely aware of it in those moments when she kissed him.

When they talk about it, it doesn't mean they're not aware that Bella discovers it during the kiss and not before. They all read the books, they know what they're talking about.

Bella fell in love with Jake in New Moon, but wasn't aware of it because of the magnitude of her depression

Yes bella did fall in love in new moon not eclipse.
bella was not aware of it not because of the magnitude of her depression but because she had only fallen in love once (Edward) and when that happened it was your 'rock your world, magical, changes your world, passionate, intense kind of love. she did not fall in love with jacob that way it kind of snuck up on her. it was a subtle kind of love. not the same thing she had with edward. that is the reason she did not realize she was in love with him. SM describes the love she has for both of them and the reason as i sated why she did not recognize those feelings for jacob.
:)

You're right! I did read that before, I just didn't go much in-depth there. ;) Though I do think I read somewhere that the depression was a least some part of it... but either way, yeah, I agree. :)

I know! Hopefully Summit and David Slade realize this because so many people on the various fan sites are saying the exact same thing. It is very interesting to read how united everyone is on this topic. Hopefully it's just the cast that is mis-stating things in these early interviews. Summit will have a big flop (and an angry mob of fans with pitchforks in hand) if they screw this up.

i think it's so interesting reading everyone's comments about who loves who and such and what team kristen or whoever is on. lol.

I don't think kristen really likes to take sides, or any of them for that matter but all the fans want an answer for some reason. lol.
Overall, i think Kristen understands both sides of the situation and when it comes to it, she'll defend BELLA.
kristen has said numerous times that she appreciates following your gut instinct and your heart and choosing something that's not always the easiest choice. And that's why she has to side with BELLA and support her decisions cause she can relate.
I don't know about Rob or Lautner. Rob doesn't like to sound arrogant lol and sometimes Lautner totally goes for Team Jacob and sometimes he says it's hard to decide so I don't know.

But being with JAKE would be the most logical choice for BELLA but she can't help who wants...and she wants EDWARD. She is just so torn because she still wants JAKE in her life but she doesn't want to hurt him.
i think a lot of people can relate if you've ever been stuck between two people. it's hard trying to make the best decision while taking everyone's feelings into account.

One of my favorite lines from eclipse has to be when BELLA is reciting a passage from Wuthering Heights to EDWARD.
"If all else perished, and he remained, I should still continue to be; and if all else remained, and he were annihilated, the universe would turn to a mighty stranger." I nodded, again to myself. "I know exactly what she means. And I know who I can't live without."

She CANNOT live without EDWARD. i think JACOB starts to accept that a little bit towards the end of eclipse when he says..."The clouds I can handle. But I can't fight with an eclipse."

At the end of the day, "there wasn't any choice to make...just breaking a good heart to attend to now." She made wrong decisions that hurt Jake, Edward, and her in the process but she owns up to them and she does what she needs to do.

Anyhow...obviously JAKE was meant for renesmee or else he wouldn't of imprinted on her. I think Lautner doesn't really understand that cause that's kind of weird for him to think about. lol. or he just doesn't want to acknowledge it. lol.

I just hope they don't misinterpret the tension between the three and add new scenes that are going to conflict with what's in the book.
AND THE LEG HITCH SHOULD SO BE IN THE MOVIE. lol it was so funny to see Bella's hormones spin out of control. haha.
and goodness, they go at it in breaking dawn. haha can't wait to see how they portray everything. IT WILL BE TOUGH.

couldn't have said it any better. thx for the post. brilliant :)
hugs

totally, 110% agree with you. I'm sick of all this team nonsense though i admit that i'll fight team jacob fans to the death trying to prove that edward is better. But it doesn't really matter cuz both are good guys and both are meant to be someone.

Only thing that really makes me angry is how these actors interpret the stories and interpret their characters. It's ok to have different interpretations of the book, but sometimes that are so far off that im wondering what they are thinking.

But in honesty, they have to answer these questions so fast and so when ur asked a question maybe u just think to one part of eclipse and make a comment based on that. Obviously all the love triangle stuff and war that goes on the end is a big deal in eclipse and may be the first thing that pops into your mind, but i don't think lautner should be going into interviews saying that bella is torn between two guys and i don't think kstew should be saying that bella denied her love for jake in new moon and in eclipse she is absolutely in love with jake cuz it kinda sends out the wrong message and its really not true.

But your comment was great, thank you

You can try and bring your fight but you're absolutely wrong IMO...but that's it. It's an opinion about characters in a book. As I've said before, we all bring our life experiences as we read this story from Bella's perspective.

Yahooooooooooooooooo
HALE YES!!
Holy Forkin Tent Scene... Humina humina!!

To quote Bella in New Moon:
"Dont make me choose cause it'll be him... it's always been HIM"
*tears*
I cried for Jake in the book, yes, yes I said CRIED.. I felt so horrible for his heartbreak cause he kept pushing on, never giving up and the kiss between them two didnt help matters BUT he HAD heard that there were plans of marriage before that..

OMG I teared up at J/B's breakup scene in New Moon and so I'm sure that I'll tear up for this ENDING of that in Eclipse... Taylor has that power to make you love Jake more...

I CANT WAIT!

I look forward to the kissing scenes between Bella and Jacob (the best things in the books), and the tent scene, it will be so hot and sexy! Kristin and Taylor have so much more chemistry and look sexier together. There will be a tongue kiss.
I agree with Kristin. Bella has always loved Jacob. Jacob is right for her.

TEAM JACOB

btw, i REEEAAALLY don't think kristen is defending jacob just bc taylor is her BFF.. she's not imature like that. I think whoever said this underestimated her a LOT. even though she already admitted to be on team jacob i think she tries to be as unbiased as possible on those interviews, not like the fans.. who are always defending one side more than the other.. maybe thats why people (aka team edward) thought that what she said was BS

She also admitted to being team edward way before she said she was team jacob. as a matter of fact she said that she changes from team to team. and she did say that if you don t get that edward and bella should be together by the end of new moon you never will. I think she is trying to please all the fans and will say whatever. i don't see it as her defending jacob.

I never said bella loved jacob MORE than she loved edward.. that's obviously not true. i only stated that, though many people don't like jacob or B/J's relationship they should get real and face it: she loved him, and not in a friend/brother-ly way ("he was more than just a friend").. was that love enough to separate B/E? no it wasn't.. but was it strong to hurt her real bad? yes it was. :)
sorry if i offended anyone..

the "Love" she felt for him was strong enough to hurt not just her but him as well because now she would have to say goodbye. she was hurting for the both of them. the hurt was strong because she knew that he was going to hurt more knowing that she loved him but that it did not change anything. bella never wanted to hurt jacob.

it also hurts her that she has to give up his friendship.
the fact that bella was able to get on with her life and she did shows me she could not be hurting that much. yeah she cried for one night but it was for different reasons not just jacob. yet she got up in the morning and planned her future. and she did not look back once. that does not sound to me like someone who is hurting a lot.

("he was more than just a friend"
it's not as if bella and jacob had a romantic relationship. Jacob was only her friend. The only thing she wanted was friendship nothing more.even knowing that she loved him as more than a friend did not change that.

i Happen to like jacob.

medical school twi-guy, OMG i really don't mean to be rude but maybe YOU should reread the books. i noticed you're a jacob hater so you're opinion is REALLY biased, wouldnt you agree? i mean, just go to page 528 of your eclipse book and read bella statement "Jacob was right, he'd been right all along. He was MORE THAN JUST MY FRIEND. That's why it was so impossible to tell him goodbye - because I WAS IN LOVE WITH HIM. Too. I LOVED HIM, much more than I should, and yet still nowhere near enough."

So that goes to all of you who said "oh bella DOESNT LOVE jacob." there you go, i think that pretty much ends this discussion

Don't let the vamps bombard you with their enthusiasm of the Edward/Bella storyline ;) There are many of us who feel the same way you do.

Aww its so sweet how you defend Jake b/c you should.. he was a great guy and maybe WOULD have been perfect for Bella IF Edward had never been in her life...
*shrugs*

"It's always been HIM"

and you said it honey... "...and yet still NOWHERE near enough"

The good thing is that Jake WILL and DOES find his own true love =)

Ummm....I think you, yourself, proved the point that Bella DID NOT love Jacob in the same way that she loved Edward. The TWO types of love WERE NOT equal....

"...and yet still nowhere near enough." There are many types of love.

btw- I am not a Jacob Hater, I am an Eclipse book READER. :)

hmmm...I think THIS sums it up.

what she meant to prove was bella did fall in love with jacob, thats it.. not as much as she loved edward but still enough for her to consider her options, the what if questions, and not wanting to let jacob go out of her life.

along with that it's obvious the love she had for jacob was different than the one for edward. the fact that it did not make a difference. it did not change anything. That proves how intense, passionate the love she has for edward as compared to jacob's. and i'm sorry to say this i only go along with it bella loving jacob only because SM says so. bella's love for jacob was subtle a thin kind of love.if you really love someone it should smack you in the face at some point. The fact that it did not smack her in the face shows how barely there the love is.

Just because you kiss someone does not mean you love them. again i go along with it because SM says she does. but i have a hard time swallowing it. It seems as if SM threw it in there so that bella could see everyhting she would be sacrificing when she became a vampire.And let's face it bella never went up to jacob and said kiss me because she wanted to she did it out of manipulation. If she wanted to then why punch him the first time. that is my opinion. how many of you had to kiss a guy to realize that you' re in love. what happened to her loving jacob in breaking dawn i don t see it anymore. and i'm not talking about from the time nessie is born but from the start of the book. it's as if the love somehow got lost. This is why i say Sm threw the "i love jacob" at the end eclipse and not in the the beginning. She wanted to concentrate on building bella and edward's love and having them progress towards marriage and her becoming a vampire. Setting it up for breaking dawn. in breaking dawn the love for jacob is shoved to the side never mentioned again not by bella anyway. as a matter of fact i remember bella telling jacob that they belong in each other's life in a family way not in a romantic way. and that things got out of balance and off track. bella lovin jacob is not something that stands out in my mind. Sorry jacob fans. but it's how i feel.

"...and yet still nowhere near enough." !!!!
Your on a roll! :]

;-)

oh god i'd hate to shatter the imaginary world some of u live in but steph herself said that bella fell in love with jacob on new moon and only realized it on eclipse, so there is really not much to discuss. It's true though that Bella's love for Edward was always stronger but she DID felt torn between them bc she loved both of them.. yes, her love for jacob wasn't enough to change anything but it was strong enough to hurt her terribly.

I know some of you team edward/jacob haters like to think about eclipse NOT being a love triangle, but GET REAL please.. bella is in love with both of them, so that makes it a love triangle to me ;) as i said, she always knew Edward was the one she would end up with but that doesn't make it any less of a love triangle

/sorry for any mistakes i'm brazilian

"I know some of you team edward/jacob haters like to think about eclipse NOT being a love triangle, but GET REAL please.. bella is in love with both of them, so that makes it a love triangle to me ;)"

I am not a jacob hater or team edward but i'm with edward and bella. they do belong together.:)

bella realized she was in love with jacob at the end of eclipse or close to the end. Why would SM do that if she was writing the book as a love triangle.

From the beginning to the time she realizes she is in love with jacob to the end of eclipse she and edward are planning for thier future. bella tells jacob over and over that the only relationship she wants with him is friendship. even when she realized she loved him that was the only relationship she wanted with him. however being in love with him made that relationship impossible also. that is the reason she said goodbye which ties in with what SM said in her website if bella had realized her true feelings for jacob she would not have persued thier friendship.

That is not a love triangle or bella being torn between the two. I have yet to see where in the book bella was torn between edward and jacob.bella herself said that it did not make a difference whether she loved jacob or not nothing between her and edward changed. So if her love for jacob did not make a difference, in other words her loving jacob was as if she did not love him, it was not going to change anything. So it's obvious she was not torn had she been torn she would have been in conflict over who she wanted a future with and that never happened. not once did bella question who she wanted a future with.

exactly, no one is denying bella's love for edward but i dont know whats with the denying of the love for jacob.
no mistakes my Brazilian friend!

Good post! I happen to like what you said...keep it going :)

Before I start babbling, I HAVE read all 4 books a few times and know what I'm talking about. The book does not stress a "love triangle" as much as the movie will. I feel that the actors of the series have done an amazing job, but lets face it, some have no knowledge on the books. Therefore, who are they to judge how strong the relationships are? Why are people listening to what the actors say about a "love triangle" when we SHOULD be relying on the books?!? You can't PROVE there is a "love triangle" because that (obviously) is just an opinion.

This article proves a lot...
http://blog.zap2it.com/frominsidethebox/2009/11...

And, by the way... I find your posts (below this) very rude. People post their own opinions on here and don't want to be to be put down like you just did to Medical School Twi-Guy. I'm almost positive that Twi-Guy has read all the books, he just has a different view on them and that's exactly what a good book is supposed to do!

-Peace

It is the OPINION of someone who hasn't even read the entire series. It is not based on fact. I'll stick to stepheniemeyer.com for my insights, thanks.

You're very welcome,[=

Sorry if that came out kind of harsh. No offense intended.

like you i feel the same way and i babble too when there are those who make eclipse out to be a love triangle and lose the gist of the book, the entire saga for that matter. Eclipse, the entire saga is not a love triangle.
It's an edward and bella love story. Not a bella, edward jacob love triangle. yeah i know i sound like a broken record.

Nowhere does SM mention a love triangle. lautner says that twilight is about bella and edwards relationship and new moon is about bella and jacobs relationship and hence the love triangle in eclipse. There is more to new moon than bella and jacob's relationship. New moon is about the darkest period of bella's life which is when edward left her. yes she bonded with jacob but it's all about edward. Everything that bella did revolved around edward. It's not as if edward left and bella moved on to jacob. I said it before lautner does not have a clue. the title new moon has to do with the darkest part of bella life when edward left her and how she deals with the lost, not her and jacobs relationship. Edward is still the hero the main character in new moon. Because it's his and bella's love story. Lets face it the only reason she went looking for jacob was for the motorcycles.. why? it was not for her to ride off into the sunset with jacob it was to hear Edwards voice. The entire time she was with jacob all she wanted was to hear edwards voice.

If SM wanted eclipse to be a "love triangle" it should not have taken her 23 out of 27 chapters for bella to realize that she is in love with jacob. If new moon set up the love triangle then bella should have realized her true feelings about jacob at the end of new moon or somewhere at the beginning of eclipse. But there is a problem with that. SM says on her website that if bella had realized her true feelings for jacob she would not have persued her friensdhip with him. . Hmmmmm.... interesting. why would bella not persue her friendship with jacob after realizing she loves him. the answer is obvious it's not science. because bella is not torn. her loving jacob does not change a thing. Edward is the only one she wants a future with no one else. Why persue anything with jacob when she knows nothing will change. That is the reason why SM never mentions a love triangle. SM always knew where she wanted the story to go.

SM Website:
"I wrote New Moon and Eclipse after I wrote Forever Dawn, which is pretty much the rough draft of Breaking Dawn. So I always knew Bella's destiny was with Edward, and as her relationship with Jacob evolved and deepened through the course of the middle novels, writing about it was sometimes painful. Even knowing Jacob's eventual happy ending, it was hard to put him through all the heartbreak. I do know what would have happened if Bella hadn't jumped off the cliff that day, but I always knew that was a could-have-been that wasn't the right way to go."


As for the article it's good to get the opinion of someone who is not a twilight fan. I myself read that eclipse was a love triangle before i read the book and how bella was torn. I was confused as i read the book looking for bella being torn and the love triangle. Where is it?

That's exactly right! Bella went to Jacob because she was looking for danger because that was the only way she could see Edward.

I feel that in Eclipse, Bella is torn between her strong relationship with Edward, and being best friends with Jacob. That is NOT a "love" triangle. There is a complete difference between loving someone and being IN love with someone. Sure, Bella and Jacob got closer in New Moon, but their relationship would NEVER outshine the attraction she had for Edward. Attraction isn't even a decent word for how Bella felt about Edward, but anyway...

I agree with your point, that if Stephenie Meyer would have wanted Eclipse to have a love triangle, she would have made it clear that Bella loved both of them equally but she doesn't.

In New Moon, Bella pictured a life with Jacob for like 30 seconds and then rejected the idea because she knew she would always love Edward. I don't know about you, but I'm going to be pretty upset if the Eclipse movie is going to be revolving around an untrue love triangle. :|

beautifully said. Keep sending out those LOVE vibes. We ALL clearly need them! :)

As I just said recently, this article is nonsense. It's just someone's take on the story...I'm glad it validates your feelings but it certainly doesn't validate mine nor will it change it. So nope, it doesn't prove squat :)

Kristen?!?! Bella is acknowledging that she is absolutely in love with JACOB?!?! Uhh... no no no! Howwa 'bout this... Bella is absolutely in love with EDWARD! :D I love Kristen with all my heart, but maybe she should read the books. :]

She could read the books a hundred times and will truly never get it. Or maybe she does. She contradicts herself. judging by many of her comments i think that she feels that it should be jacob and bella not edward and bella. simply because jacob is the healthy choice. this is fantasy. healthy choice is irrelevant. leave that in the real world. This is why we enjoy the books (Some of us anyway) because we want something different than your average healthy human boring guy. if you read twilight from a realistic point of view you will never get it. and i do remember her saying that she read it from a different perspective.

I think the real fans of this franchise need to come up
with a new website for people who don't read the books to understand the story. If people listened to Kristen, taylor, and rob all the time, u would totally get the wrong message about this franchise.

but what about ppl who has read the books and we feel she was absolutely in love with jacob. idk...i think thats the point of a good book everyone has different interpretations and that includes the actors. deep down they're fans as well. only person who can truly answer our questions would be SM(i suppose....)

i can understand everyone is different. I can understand why some people like jacob and some of the reasons why u may like jacob over edward.

I guess she can actually be absolutely in love with jacob. (i just think the word absolutely irked me for some reason...i would have been happy with just the words in love) Its just for me when u use that word in love in twilight, it doesnt mean that much when u think of who bella is b/c when u think of bella and how she feels for edward is so much more than being absolutely in love.

In a human world...in our modern world...where there are no vampires...bella would have been absolutely in love with jacob. But obviously, twilight was another world with vampires and wolves and to say that bella is in love with jacob means absolutely nothing compared to what she felt for edward. its just like she said in the book when she figured out she loved him, but in the end it just "wasn't enough". Being in love with jacob just wasn't enough cuz what bella felt for edward was so much stronger.

But i actually wanted to bring up a point with a team jacob fan...do you think that bella is more in love with pre-transformation jacob than post-transformation jacob. I think the only reason she does feel this love for jacob is b/c how he was pre-transformation. It seemed to me that everytime she used the term "my jacob", she was talking about how he acted before he became a wolf. I'm telling ya, if jacob didn't become a wolf, i think edward may have had a little bit more competition, but then again, maybe bella would have kept jake away b/c she didn't want him to discover that edward was a vampire.

sorry i should have made my response simple.
if we're going to differentiate worlds between twilight/modern. than we know jacob would have been her natural path & she would be perfectly fine.
However, we are in twilight world and if her love for a vampire(not the point) but her love for him is so out of this world than why can her love for jacob (a werewolf) not be absolute?
i think the bigger picture/ or pivotal point is it does not matter about the worlds her love for them both are undeniable. on different levels yes. but undeniable.

Your third paragraph somewhat contradicts itself. You say that in a human world Bella would be in love with Jacob, but because there are vamps Bella's love for Edward is so much stronger which means her love for Jacob means nothing. Um, isn't Bella a human....therefore she is going to experience human emotions towards an individual regardless if they're vamps or not. Unless you're assuming that Edward has "glamored" her...thus her emotions are falsely enlightened.

Are you a guy? I should note that the psyche of a teenage girl goes to the extremes. Having been one myself I know the borderline obsessive draw to the one you've chosen to love. I also know that it isn't always healthy nor is it always based on the best reasons.

As a "Jake" fan I believe that Bella is in love with aspects of Jacob. That Jacob didn't go away completely. Granted he did change but he was also the same guy us fans fell in love with. Actually he became more complicated, interesting, funny, yet stronger and devoted to what he wanted and loved.

However with all that being said many fans of Jake are glad that Bella didn't choose him in the end. With our growing attachment to him throughout the story the more defensive we became and less we wanted him hurt, the more we thought he deserved someone so much better. Someone who was just as lively, animated and loving as he was.

yeah, i understand that you see twilight as a different & more hyped world (because well it is fantasy).However, to me regardless if she used the term "in love" or "absolutely in love" regardless of the what world we are in it means something.
i never denied bella of her love for edward nor did i think jacob tried to manipulate his way in between them. i feel as if though the word "love" if it means nothing than what does it mean when she says it to edward? bc throughout the saga she does.
i dont think anyone would deny bella that she has some undescribable bond/connection to edward that not even we or her could explain. its just the simple fact she cant live w/out him. with that being said i feel she fell in love with jacob in NM but denied/unaware of those feelings & later realized in eclipse.
Jacob's main goal was to make sure bella knew she had an option & he was it. i feel jacob wouldnt have fought if he didnt think she had feelings for him. "when are you going to figure out you your in love with me, too?" i think everyone was aware of her being in love with jacob (even edward thats why he became overprotective i don not think it had to do with jacob being "dangerous" which i feel we understand that while jacob/edward talks during the tent scene) but i think you answered your on thought...i mean she finally admits shes in love with jacob but she realizes she cant live without edward & jacob eventually realizes that as well. but i wouldnt underestimate bella's love for jacob because its real & she needs him & he has always been willing to be whatever it is she needs. he is a good example of true sacrifice.

to answer your last question: i think jacob himself sums it up pretty well: I make you nervous. But only when I'm human. When I'm a wolf, you're more comfortable around me". who wouldnt fall in love with someone who literally saw the good in you regardless if everyone else thought you were a walking zombie when edward left & the fact he had healed her almost(not completely) but close. but i think for bella prejacob is easier bc prejacob is someone she was not in love with yet. pre jake was still the kid that lived on the rez that was her father's bestfriend's son who slowly helped her & someone she became close to. but i feel one pivotal scene in the book/movie is when jacob transform & he leaves you see bella go through a depression again bc she needs him & when they reunite for me as a reader i saw a bella who was falling in love (she might not realized it at that time). but to relate that quote wolf jacob is like prejacob its easier to be around him bc post jacob is present & reality which is he means more to her than just a friend or a best friend (in eclp to me i noticed it more bc once edward is back she could be completely content & happy & although she vowed she would see jacob smile again in NM with eclipse you literally see her not fully complete when she is with either edward/jacob realizing she needs them both so to me her being "in love" or "absolute" love means something.
Oh and one more example- um when its getting closer for her to become a vampire in eclipse she makes a comment that she is content with knowing she wont see her human friends, her parents, etc..but jacob is the one person she cant say goodbye to. so, even though her love for jacob could not foreshadow edward's i would say the love for jacob is stronger than anyone else(insert yourself..i love my best friend but i would not say my love is nearly as strong as what bella has for jacob).
sorry this WAY too long and rambling ..its almost 4 here..

That's absolutely true. Some of the actors haven't even got a clue about their own character's view because they haven't read the books. Most of their interviews give misleading information that hasn't been expressed in any of the books!

MSTW- I read your post above mine, and agree completely. Most of the actors did a great job in New Moon, but if you ask them about feelings of the characters in the movie, they say false statements that just show their lack of knowledge on the books. That's my view anyway.

AGREED!

exactly! Thank you for not ONLY reading the books, but ALSO COMPREHENDING them.

phew! luv u!

Finally! Someone who actually *understands* the books! Love yah too, [;

Isn't it wonderful?! We are debating opinions about these beautiful books! Thank you, Stephenie Meyer, for creating this world for us. For bringing us all together to READ!! It's amazing.

luv to all the twihards :)

Ya know i really loved this cast..i really thought i did and now as im watching these videos, i realize how stupid they are.

Taylor lautner, i was happy with him in new moon even though i am a jacob hater, but to say that the tent scene is his favorite scene in the whole franchise is just pathetic. The tent scene is a minor comedic scene in eclipse, but there is so much more than goes on in the franchise. But i get why thats his favorite scene...b/c he wanst his character to be with bella cuz he doesn't want to play the character that has to fall in love with a baby.

Kstew...well we all knew that her mind was out there. SHe is just like bella in that i swear she doesn't want to hurt lautner's feelings so she sticks up for jacob and lies about what bella really feels for jacob. Bella does not love jacob in new moon. She says she loves him in eclipes (though me and many other fans don't buy that), but still runs right back to edward.

And rob...well rob the kid is just so down on himself half the time that sometimes he plays edward too depressing cuz i think he feels that he could never be as perfect as edward.

But all in all, i don't listen to these interviews, cuz kstew will pick out on part of the movie and make her conclusion based on one line or one scene. Her interviews for new moon wer scaring me, but then as i watched the movie i realized that the movie portrayed the book correctly.

I get how people see the book differently, but when u see the book so much differently and u are so far off from the truth, i think u need to sit down and read the book again so u really undestand the book.

Hey MS Twi-guy:
Without responding on the rest of your comment, this little statement, "The tent scene is a minor comedic scene in eclipse, but there is so much more than goes on in the franchise" prompts me to reply.

I remember this scene and the conversation that took place between E & J as incredibly important. It's the first time they had the opportunity to ask each other questions and get into each other's minds (which ultimately led to the bond they created in BD) and create an "uncomfortable truce."

Please re-read it for the growth in their relationship aspect. I only hope the movie can do this scene justice.

Now why doesn't it surprise me that the tent scene is Taylor's favorite? Hmmmmm....lol

Hmm...when does bella hide that shes in love with jake in new moon kstew? Oh right, u misinterpret your character and have no idea what u are talking about. Bella is not in love with jacob in new moon...she still has edward in her heart. It's not until eclipse that she realizes it and decides to tell jake. But she is not absolutely in love with him. Shes in love with him, but im pretty sure the one she is absolutely in love with is edward. She imagines herself marrying jake and how easy it might be for 5 seconds, then she snaps out of it and realizes that she cannot live in a world without edward.

Saying shes in love with jake is nothing compared to what she feels for edward. To say that bella is in love with edward is a joke, cuz she feels so much more than just being absolutely in love with edward.

And of course the tent scene is taylors favorite cuz he believes that these books is all about the love triangle and finally kissing bella. The kid was asked in an interview about breaking dawn and it was like he totally forgot that his character ultimately finds his true love in a baby.

These actors need to think before they speak b/c half the time they tell the story wrong. But they were on a new moon tour and new moon is supposd to be jacobs movie (puke...cuz it wasnt his movie, he still didnt do anything) and i know kstew loves sticking up for his character so she makes up crap in her head rather than answering questions based on what is portrayed in the book. They need to read the book a couple more times and stop trying to modernize the twilight saga.

"She imagines herself marrying jake and how easy it might be for 5 seconds, then she snaps out of it and realizes that she cannot live in a world without edward."

I think there is some confusion when it comes to that vision.

"for one brief, never -ending second, an entirely different path expanded behind the lids of my tear-wet eyes. As if i were looking through the filter of Jacob's thoughs, I COULD SEE EXACTLY WHAT I WAS GOING TO GIVE UP, EXACTLY WHAT THIS NEW SELF-KNOWLEDGE (Her realizing she loves Jacob) WOULD NOT STOP ME FROM LOSING...........
....i felt the splintering along the fissure line in my heart as the smaller part wrenched itself away from the whole"

that vision was not bella considering a future with jacob. nothing had changed between her and edward when she realized she loved jacob. From the time she fell in love with edward she already knew she could not live without him. she did not come to this realization when she had the vision or afterwards. if anything the vision confirmed what she knew all along. If the vision was bella considering a future with jacob how is it then that nothing had changed. why consider a future with him if she is still going ahead with what she wants. (to spend an etenity with Edward)

Bella had made the decision to become a vampire so that she can spend an eternity with her true love. Not once did bella stop to examine what she was going to lose when she gave up her human life. In that vision bella saw everything she was going to give up when she gives up her human life.. it finally hit her that giving up her human life was going to be a true sacrifice . The red ribbon on the cover of eclipse symbolizes bella not being able to break away from her human ties completely. (The torn ribbon is still being held by strings). it will not be a clean break like she thought. Bella knows that she wants edward more than her human ties. life without him has no meaning. she always knew this. her realizing that it will be a sacrifice on her part, giving up her human life, confirmed what she knew all along. SHE CANNOT LIVE WITHOUT EDWARD. as long as she has him by her side she can live without those things. A small part of her may want those things but the bigger stronger part of her knows that she will never be completely happy.

This is why she told jacob that she wants to stay and make him happy (That small part of her that loves him wants to) but she can t because she knows that it would not be life for her. there is only one way bella can live and that is to be by edward's side. Any other way is like death to her. Had she stayed with jacob and kept all those things she would be just like when edward left her. walking around like a zombie. no purpose in life. That is what she was saying when she quoted from wuthering heights.

SM website:
What is the most pivotal plot development that happens in Eclipse?

In both Twilight and New Moon, Bella commits to becoming a vampire without once really examining what price she'll pay. In Eclipse, Bella fully comprehends that price. (Vision) And then she chooses to pay it. Every aspect of the novel revolves around this point, every back story, every relationship, every moment of action.

SM put the vision in there to get bella to see what sacrifices she would be making. it was not an option. there were no options for bella. there was only one path that would make her complete and happy (MY opinion of course)

Oh my goodness....well let's see. First of all, I was playfully referring to Taylor being a hormonal teenager and of course that would be his favorite scene. You know? Joking. :D

So. My interpretation is that Bella doesn't "love" Jacob until Eclipse. I think she sees him as her best friend in New Moon. She couldn't stand hurting him at the end because she didn't want to lose his friendship. I use quotes because I don't believe that she is in love with Jacob in Eclipse. She has this tremendous gratitude toward him and he was her light during her time of darkness. And in my opinion, she confuses this with love.

I believe that Taylor deserved to be promoted. To me, he did a phenomenal job in New Moon. I never liked Jacob. New Moon took the longest for me to read. I just wanted to be past the Jacob parts. Until I saw the movie. Taylor made me feel for Jacob. But I still don't think Bella belongs with him. Edward is Bella's true love. He is her soul mate.

As far as KStew saying that...I don't know. Maybe that's how she sees it. I can't speak for her. But I had the reaction of "Huh?" lol

haha i know u were...i actually didn't mean to hit the reply button to your comment. I meant to add a totally new comment but accidentally hit the reply button to your post which was the last post at the time.

But in terms of taylor, he made me enjoy jacob a little in new moon. Going into new moon, i thought i would yawn through the whole thing as soon as edward left, but i actually was able to stand taylor's VERSION of jacob.

OMG you don't believe bella is in love with jacob either?!? Cuz i totally agree with u as well. It's like she almost forces herself so say shes in love with him just to give jacob the satisfaction. But after she becomes a vampire, i dont think she has any feelings of being IN LOVE with jacob so i dunno what meyer was trying to prove. There can be different versions of love, but i still don't buy that bella was IN LOVE with jacob.

Yeah she is totally confused when it comes to jacob and its just all b/c she hates hurting his feelings. But if she is in love with jacob, it is with pre-transformation jacob cuz everytime she refers to jacob as "my jacob" she is basically referring to how jacob acted before he transformed.

And i think its fine for kstew to misinterpret cuz i still think new moon showed the correct things even though if u listened to kstew, i think u were expecting to see a totally different movies.

As long as i see the correct message shown in the movies, i dont care if the cast misinterprets the message.

Okay. Phew! I thought it was weird that I got that response to my little ole comment. ; )

I don't know you, but I think I may be in love with you just from this statement alone.

haha thanks...don't worry i don't find your statement creepy at all.

You are just a real fan who wants the books portrayed the right way. ANd then you have the fake fans (the ultimate team jacob fans) that make up a different version of twilight in their head.

I think i gotta stop rooting so much for edward and i gotta start rooting for bella in this movie cuz even though i find her pathetic for kissing jacob im happing that she never gave jacob that much satisfaction. And i still don't undestand how she can say shes in love with him cuz after their first kiss, she punches him and is so angry with him and after the 2nd kiss she goes and cries to edward and wants edward to be mad at her. BUt im gonna love her for doing those things cuz if ur a jacob fan, u wont get any satisfaction cuz after all bella never is amazingly happy that she kissed jacob. Woohoo she realized there are different ways to love somehow but that doesn't mean anything cuz we all know that her and edward are the sh*t.

I just don't get why people stand up for jacob...jacob is just so..human. Jacob is that one character that u can actually modernize cuz he is just a typical teen boy that thinks he knows what he wants and tells himself that bella is the one for him, but finally by the 4th book he grows up and figures it all out. edward on the otherhand is the perfect guy...i wish i was edward...he is the real supernatural character and he is just so cool.

I love kstew but she gotta realize that its ok to go against taylor's character and to tell the story correctly. As for rob, i hope he really did a good job at acting in this one and stopped being so damn depressive. I know rob doesn't think of himself too highly, but he can at least do what his job is...be an actor and portray edward the right way.

"BUt im gonna love her for doing those things cuz if ur a jacob fan, u wont get any satisfaction cuz after all bella never is amazingly happy that she kissed jacob."

I am always saying that.
Reason why i dont understand what is so special about the kiss.
It is not as if bella went up to him and said kiss me because i just relized i love you. no doubt they will show the manipulation in the movie. they would have to otherwise why did bella punch him the first time and then kiss him later. I'm assuming they would also show how she felt shame and guilt afterwards. I would not be to pleased about that. manipulation she ends up kissing him after he manipulates some more. guilt, shame, repulsed at what she had done. Here the girl he loves realizes she loves him then feels shame, guilt for kissing him. Every bone in her body aches to deny that she loves jacob. (to edward in the tent) She tells edward to make her forget jacob. ouch!!!! poor jacob how would he feel after hearing that. good thing he ran off to fight and try to be a hero. . As a jacob fan i would not be too thrilled about that.

Sigh, I can't wait to watch the tent scene! I'm really hoping that since they beefed up the kiss in Twilight that Jacob and Bella will get to draw out their kisses in Eclipse too! Nothing wrong with that!

Agreed! Just the Jacob/Bella almost-kisses in New Moon were awesome. Can't wait to see the real thing. :D :D :D

After that, though, I might just have to run out of the theater and pretend the series ended there. Gaaah. Bella and her crappy taste in men...

*prepares to get mobbed by the rabid Team Edward fans*

My favorite scene is the tent scene too, Taylor. I just read it this morning and I couldn't stop smiling. :)
If only I could have seriously taken Bella's place that night, it would have definetely made the top ten in my best nights. lol

"It's gonna be a great movie." That's sort of a given considering that Eclipse is the best book and there is SO much to look forward to: leg hitch, Bella's attempt at seducing Edward, the tent scene, Edward and Bella in the meadow, Edward destroying Victoria, and even though it's bad, I think seeing Bella kiss Jacob will be pretty interesting.

It will be very interesting, but im really hoping that they dont make bella act like she is torn between the two guys cuz us real fans know that she is not torn at all. She is torn based on the mere fact that she wants to be team switzerland...she wants jacob as her friend and edward as her lover.

Like good for jake that he got bella to admit that she loved him in a way, but compared to what bella feels for edward saying shes in love with jake doesn't mean our modern version of being "in love" with somebody.

You can't even say bella is in love with edward cuz she feels so much more for edward. She has eternal, binding love with edward.

I hope they get this movie right.

...she wants jacob as her friend and edward as her lover.

That is the way i saw it too. the only thing she wants with jacob is friendship. but even then she is willing to sacrifice her freindship with jacob. she knows that once she becomes a vampire she will now become his mortal enemy. (Of course we know that it does not happen that way) but she does not know that).

So her friendship with jacob is important but more than that is her future with edward. Edward is bella's entire world the core of her existence and while she may want to keep jacob as her friend she is still willing to sacrifice that frienship for Edward.

Again it shows how all consuming her love for edward is. he is above everything and everyone. there is nothing more than Edward that she wants.

I totally agree and I hope that they succeed at accurately portraying what is truly going on in the book. As a member of Team Switzerland myself, I think it is definitely acceptable to believe that Bella wants to be Team Switzerland in a way by having Jacob and Edward as a big part of her life, even if it's not the way that Jacob and Edward both want her.

of course it's gonna be really really great.and Eclipse is my fav too.and the tent scene..oh God.but less love??I hope it's not true.I'm very curious about David Slade and..Can't wait it..!!!!

can't wait for the 3rd series... 214 days to go...

Only 214 days to go?!

I think I can wait that long! Yeah right!

OMG i can't wait til Eclipse!!!

Three words:
The Tent Scene.

That's all. *Miranda Priestly style*

OMG. The tent scene...

BAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

I can't breathe... xD

Bella realizes she's "totally in love with Jacob"--totallY? Come on, Kristen! Of course Bella's realization is central to Eclipse, but remember that it's only the "smaller part" of her heart that belongs to Jacob. If they filmed Eclipse with Edward on the sidelines, I'm going to get all James on Slade.

Leg hitch! Meadow!

God, I repeat myself in every post.

Yeah, what's that "totally". She is in love with him, but she "knows without he she could not live" :)

KEEP ON REPEATING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! WITH YOU 110%!

Leg hitch! Meadow!

Also: fierce Jasper. Please PLEASE someone help that boy's hair.

ahhhh! ROFL!

Kstew just loves to stick up for jacob cuz in real life she is BFF with taylor lautner. But since she plays bella and since she has so many fans out there, i think she should read the books a couple more times and use her brain to actually answer questions based on what the book said.

I've been saying that bella being in love with jacob is nothing...like woo hoo for jacob, but being in love with jacob is immediately squashed by what she feels for edward. I would say bella is absolutely in love with edward, but i think bella feels alot more than that. Its hard to describe what bella feels for edward cuzing saying shes in love with him is not accurate enough and does not correctly portray her immense feelings for him.

Kstew just has this problem where she picks out one part of a book and makes her conclusion based on that. Its like one line in the book says something about her imagining a world with jake as her man and based on that line she makes her conclusion that bella is torn. Sometimes these interviews just make me wanna punch a wall.

Is it so hard to understand the true meaning behind each book...i dont think so.

Should we create OUR OWN "CLIFFSNOTES" for the entire Twilight series and FedEx them to the entire cast? so freaking frustrating!

lol "She's a fox but a wolf"

:D interesting :D

Yes, Taylor!!

"Sleep well, Jacob," Edward murmured. "Enjoy the moment."
It was quiet again, and the tent held still for a few minutes. The wind seemed to have decided that it wasn't going to flatten us after all, and was giving up the fight.
Edward groaned softly. "I didn't mean that quite so literally."
"Sorry,: Jacob whispered. "You could leave, you know - give us a little privacy."
"Would you like me to help you sleep, Jacob?" Edward offered. HAWT
"You could try," Jacob said, unconcerned. "It would be interesting to see who walked away, wouldn't it?" LOLz
"Don't tempt me too far, wolf. My patience isn't that perfect."
Jacob whispered a laugh. "I'd rather not move just now, if you don't mind." ROTFLMAO
Edward stated humming to himself, louder than usual - trying to drown out Jacob's thoughts, I assumed. But it was my lullaby he hummed, and, despite my growing discomfort with this whispered dream, I sank deeper into unconsciousness... into other dreams that made better sense.

To hear Taylor gloat and watch Rob frustrated and pissed...UNICORNS!

see, that there is the difference between edward and jacob. What sets them apart. Jacob gloats, yet when he is lying in his bed with half of his body crushed and bella tells him goodbye, so now along with his body his ego is crushed, you don t see edward going to see jacob to gloat. If edward had the mentality of jacob he would have. but Edward is above all that.

"But if I had been able to take your place last night, it would not have made the top ten of the best nights of my life. Dream about that"

Jacob's eyes opened into a glare. He sat up stiffly, his shoulders tense.
"You know what? i think it's too crowded in here."

"I couldn't agree more" (Edward to Jacob)

Yes jacob two(Edward and Bella) is a couple three (Jacob) is a crowd

Jacob likes to gloat but he doesn't know how to handle it like a man when it's dished out to him.

jacob you can only fantasize about you and bella. It will never go beyond that.whereas Edward can make your fantasies a reality except it would not be you and bella it would be edward and bella.
:)

LMAO! to watch rob hum will be great! I.LOVE. THE.TENT.SCENE! its my fav scene!!:-) eclipse is my fav book!

Yup, my favorite too!

Woot! Yay for faves!!!:-)

tent scene may be jacobs best scene in the whole franchise, but still i think edward is funnier. I cant wait till jacob is listening outside the tent and he hears bella and edward talking about marriage or something ( i forget exactly what it is) and he runs away like a little girl. Sorry but u gotta know when to give up.

Even after he got bella to say that she loved him, it doesn't really mean anything cuz its such a small part in the book and she goes right back to edward.

Good job for fighting for what u cannot have, but jake can just never be as cool as edward. But i will probably enjoy the tent scene just cuz u get to see the tension between the boys.

I will probably puke when jacob and bella kiss after that, but i will get over it if they show her crying back to edward telling him how stupid she is.

DITTO! LMAO! I will be puking with you! :)

HAHA awesome! I will be puking but then i will smile at all of jacob's supposedly best moments cuz when u think about it, bella never gives him any satisfaction.

First kiss... bella punches jacob and can't stand him

Second kiss...she realizes that there are different ways to love someone but she is so disgusted with herself that she goes and cries back to edward


So jacob might have his moment but bella will squash those moments by running back to the real MAN..EDWARD.

Jacob is not a man, he is a boy. A dumb dog but thankfully in BD he grows the hell up and acts like a real friend.

And i wish bella would realize that everytime she uses the term "my jacob" she is basically referring to jacob pre-transformation. If jacob never became a wolf, i would say that edward might have some competition cuz i think bella liked jake more before he was a wolf. Cuz when he became a wolf, he became a total jerk.

i would say that edward might have some competition cuz i think bella liked jake more before he was a wolf. Cuz when he became a wolf, he became a total jerk.

HUMBUG!!! jacob would never be competition for edward. what edward and bella have is too strong. it goes beyond the norm. you yourself have said it. don t you dare change on me now. :)and bella does refer to jacob as "my jacob" because that is the jacob she likes when he is not being annoying. Which by the way taylor and stewart make out bella and jacob's relationship to be so great but yet he annoys her. come to think of it he always did something to annoy her. they need to stop making it look like their relationship is so great all sunshine and pretty flowers, and bella's and edward's is full of tension.

First of all, thank you for being a huge edward fan like me. I have been reading your comments on my iPhone all day, but I've been a little busy and I finally have time to respond to you. I have basically been thinking what to say all day because after I read eclipse last night again, I felt like I had an epiphany and realized a huge reason why I hate jacob so much, but I also discovered why so many people like jacob.

Also, thank you for correcting me sometimes with my absurd comments haha. I know jacob would be no competition either way, i don't really know what I was thinking. Sometimes, i think I think too much and since I'm a guy, half the time I find it hard to express what I mean and half the time what I mean to say doesn't come out right and then sometimes I just get confused and come up with these random theories that I later read over and decide hell no they are not true at all lol. The only thing I seem to be sure on though is that edward and bella's love is amazing and that jacob cannot touch edward.

So, here I go with my epiphany on why I hate jacob so much and well it's gonna be really crazy for me to explain...i've been thinking on ways how to explain it all day, but hopefully u get my gist and hopefully if i have a better way of expressing my thoughts or if u feel the need to correct me, please do.

I have always had a strong prejudice against edward and bella. Stephanie meyer basically makes you fall in love with edward and bella in twilight, so when jacob was introduced in new moon, i hated him right off the bat. I didn't have a reason yet, but I just knew i hated him for some reason. I didn't have any reasons to hate him, but still, he bugged me for some reason and he bored the crap out of me. Jacob is so boring in new moon, I cannot even go back and read through new moon again cuz I would just wanna pull the trigger reading about depressed bella and pathetic, boring jacob. Then of course, eclipse i have real reasons to hate him. He is like bella says, Dr. Jekyl and Mr. Hyde...when he is nice he is being "bella's jacob" and when he is not being bella's jacob, he is being a complete jerk only caring about himself. But even as bella's jacob, all he really cares about is himself. He is more selfish than edward ever could be. Bella might think he was her best friend and even though i hate jacob, i always agreed with that too, but now I don't really think jacob was ever good or was ever a friend until breaking dawn when he finally grows up. He doesn't grow up when he becomes a wolf, he grows up when he learns how to be a true friend and that doesn't happen until breaking dawn.

The main point of stephanie meyer's novel was always the love between bella and edward. Jacob is really just a side story and in eclipse, he ends up being the ultimate obstacle for bella and edwards love to break through.

In twilight, we establish the deep, unworldly true love between the vampire, edward, and the human, bella. In new moon, their love is tested and we reach our first obstacle which is edward leaving. At this point, we as the reader do not know if their love will survive. We are introduced to jacob more than we were introduced to him in twilight and all of a sudden u realize that jacob wants bella. I guess u can say that jake was a little bit of an obstacle in new moon too, but he is more of a real obstacle in eclipse. Summit wants us to think that new moon is all about establishing the stupid freaking idiot love triangle (i cannot stand how they use this term love triangle). New moon may introduce us to jake in greater detail and many people may want to think its his movie and his book b/c he put bella back together, but i still think the overall main point of the book is that edward leaving could not break the true love that is shared between edward and bella. Fate would not let their relationship crumble. Then we have eclipse, which gets us back to some of the love we saw in twilight between bella and edward, but bella is a little different. She is still edward's bella, but its like there is also part of her that is jacobs bella. But, in the end bella realizes that there is no room for jacob's bella and that the love she realizes she has for jacob is not strong enough to break the bond that she has with edward. In many ways, jacob makes bella pathetic, reckless, and emotionally stupid. But thankfully, edwards bella is strong enough to get rid of jacobs bella b/c after all bella knows what she wants and she knows that edward is her eternal true love. Jacob was finally obstacle #2, he was basically like the ultimate obstacle. Bella's human side showed and she loved another human, but even that was not strong enough to break the bond she had with edward. Then in breaking dawn, the freakin love triangle is no longer a theme (amen). We get back to the amazing love of edward and bella that we say in twilight. We see bella become a vampire, and we see jake get his happiness. We see a new member of the family arise in renesme. And then finally, we see how strong the love between edward, renesme, bella and others is too strong to be broken by the volturi.

In many ways, i thought eclipse was my favorite book, but now i realize that i dont think it is anymore. I always loved it for the action and b/c bella finally got rid of the whole stupid love triangle (which made me laugh) and because of the proposal and many other things. I think stephanie meyer was an idiot for showing bella in such heartache after she realized she loved jacob but that her love for jacob could not exist. Meyer goes into such detail showing jakes pain, and then in more detail with the passionate kiss they share, and then even more detail when bella goes to visit jake while he was healing. And damn, i've really never read the words so carefully before cuz ive always hated jacob but last night i really tried to read the words for once. Starting at the tent scene, i really payed attention to each word that was said was jake and bella. Meyer makes jake look like such a good guy by the end of eclipse and makes it seem like he is the noble one for saying that he would not split bella in 2 anymore and for showing so much heartache from bella.

For about a millisecond, i was actually thinking about feeling sorry for jake and admitting that their love was real. I never thought their love was real, but i was just basing that off of my pure hatred for him. But now i feel like jacob is a much deeper character than i thought. I always thought meyer was a great writer cuz i never had to deeply analyze her words..i thought what she said is what she said and thats how i should take it. But, for some reason i feel like i looked deeper at jacob after bella proclaims his love for him and realized that jacob is not only an obstacle, jacob is like a cancer to bella. I in no way believe bella really loved him...in the end of eclipse, i think bella becomes really weak and has no idea what she is thinking when she shows all her heartache for jacob and proclaims that she is in love with him too.

In new moon, bella is in such emotional distress over edward leaving and she has this big hole in her chest. Meyer makes it seem like jake is the friend that makes the hole smaller. Yeah jake sure repaired bella, but i feel like he also poisoned her and put a piece of cancer on a sliver of bellas heart. Jacob is truly the bad boy and he is truly a mastermind when it comes to playing games. Honestly, if girls like jacob they must love the bad boy in him because there is nothing romantic about him...besides being a bad boy, he is just completely boring. But one thing is that the kid isn't stupid. The whole time he would just tell bella he was the better man and that he would never do anything to hurt bella...and bella is so emotionally damaged at this point, but the kid just doesn't care. Jacob cared so much more about his happiness and less about bellas happiness...the only reason he made bella remotely happy is b/c he knew he would have to fix her up before he could make his move. He knew how to be sly like a snake, but when he needed to be, he could be an angel. He continues to spread his cancer into bella little by little and the cancer almost overtook bella in new moon. She was sure ready to "settle" with jake and force herself to be happy, but luckily fate stepped in and brought bella and edward back together. By the end of new moon, their bond was stronger than ever and their love had passed their first obstacle, but not without bella inheriting a sliver of cancer from jacob.

Jacob was the master manipulator in eclipse. He knew how to hit bella where it hurt and he knew exactly how to toy with her emotions. It was like jacob was controlling the cancer in bella with a switch. Jacob knew how much of a heart bella had so he would tell his dad to pass along messages about how in pain he was and then he would flick that switch and inside bella's heart would ache and feel sad for him. Jacob toyed with this switch many times and maybe he thought his cancer would grow faster and that he would gain control of bella, but the cancer does not grow as fast as he wants it to grow; rather, it grows slow and is not able to penetrate the love shared between bella and edward. Jacob knows he has to step up his game so he kisses bella without her permisison and just forces himself upon her spreading more cancer throughout her body.

The cancer was strong enough to keep bella feeling sorry for jake and it was strong enough to keep bella from wanted to visit jacob as a friend. It was also strong enough to keep bella from being mad at him...she just could not hold any grudges against him. B/c afterall jacob was that saint that nursed her back to health, but really jacob was the devil doing what he needed to do to nurse bella back to health but also doing what he needed to do to toy with her emotions and with her heart. Jacob finally saves his best for last after he realizes how strong the bond is between edward and bella (in the tent scene, its actually a win for team edward cuz jacob finally realizes how much edward loves her). Jacob in many ways underestimated how strong bella and edward's love was so he decided that he would have to flip his switch on at the right moment. That right moment was when he was talking about sacrificing himself on the battle field. He already knew how emotional she was about the fight and how she didn't want her FRIEND jacob to get hurt and her lover EDWARD to get hurt, but he knew that bella's guard would finally come down if he made up the story about him sacrificing himself. The cancer is slowly affecting the way bella thinks b/c her emotions have gotten the best of her cuz after all she is a naive teenager and of course she knows what will keep jacob alive so she asks him to kiss her. Bella is resistant at first, still not totally letting her guard down...she is still holding the cancer back. But after jake whispers more crap in her ear about how bad do u really want me alive or something, something snap and somehow her guard is finally taken down and jacob flips the switch at the correct moment and the cancer starts to take hold of bella. Bella is reasoning with herself the whole time and wondering why she doesnt want to stop and she comes to the conclusion that she must be in love with him. The cancer has taken hold of her and influences her to come up with this decision...finally jakes plan has worked or so he thinks. The cancer might have been strong and it finally may have affected bella to the point where she believes she is actually in love with jake, but now the chemotherapy kicks in quickly. The chemotherapy is bella and edwards love...the cancer may be strong, but it cannot overtake B + E's bond, the fake "in love" feelings she feels for jake are not strong enough to take over the true love feelings she has for edward.

But as well all know chemotherapy is painful and it is very painful to get rid of the cancer. That is why bella is so emotional over finally ending the love triangle and any possibility she would of had with jake. She feels so much pain and emotional heart ache getting rid of the cancer (her feelings for jake), but by the end of eclipse, the chemotherapy has worked and she is back to the bella we love. She is back to being 100% edwards bella, the strong, independent woman who knows what she wants. I think after this cancer is finally gone, she goes back to being herself by being totally committed to edward and just being a friend to jacob. And still wanting to be friends with jacob is ok b/c those are feelings she really feels, but the in love feelings she had for jacob were false and thank god she finally got rid of them and tossed them to the curb.

In many ways, i hate stephanie meyer for making jake look so good at the end of eclipse and i know she will defend that jake really is a good guy and she will try to stress that bella also being in love with jacob just show how u can be in love with more than one person and that there are different levels of love. But i think that theme is crap and i see right through jacob and i think i hate him more than ever. But, in breaking dawn, i will admit that he grows up and he finally becomes the best friend. All i think jake was in new moon was a friend...he would have been a best friend, but instead he decided to poison bella with cancer and he started thinking more and more about himself than worrying about bella first.

And another thing that annoys me about eclipse is meyer writing in how easy bella and jacob's love would have been if everything was normal..that in a normal world they were soul mates. Like for the love of god, don't use that word soul mate in that situation. It made me cringe reading those words cuz again i just don't agree.

I agree that jacob and bellas love would have been easy in a normal world. But in a normal world, they would not be soul mates. In a normal world, they would end up settling for each other. Bella would go to forks become bored with all the guys in her high school and end up settling for jacob and their love may have been very romantic in many ways. And no doubt they would be happy. But in a normal world, bella would never realize her full life potential...she would never know how much greater life could be. She would never know that even though she was so happy with jake, there could be a greater happiness. So, i just cannot accept the notion that they would be soul mates.

Well i think im done with my thoughts. I tried to explain it as clearly as i could. And team jacob fans, i dont really care about your comments so dont even bother giving me your theories on why jacob and bella are perfect. If twilight was like the modern world, maybe u could argue with me the fact that jacob and bella are perfect for each other; however, twilight was a whole different kind of world that we will never know and in that world jacob was merely an obstacle and a cancer. In this extraordinary world, edward and bella were the real true soulmates and their love was something we will never know. In BD, i will be glad to stick up for jacob cuz he truly does grow up and he is done being the obstacle and he is done being the cancer. In BD, i think jacob truly becomes the sun that bella always would refer to.

Anyways gypsy, this was just my crazy epiphany i had last night. Hope u understand my theory and share me some of your thoughts. Im dying to hear some more of your thoughts.

WOA!!
Please do NOT take the following as offensive or RUDE! But you need to STOP w/the bashing on Jacob.. character or NOT.. we have established that we wont allow any rude/negative remarks.. you are entitled to your opinion and we appreciate it.. I LOVE hearing diff points of view but what ur doing is BAD and unnecessary!! Your comments, also, need not be that long.. please, we are trying to maintain them to a minimum!! I encourage you to have fun BUT be respectful.. we love having this discussions but w/o this rudeness..

Thx =)

lmao lmao lmao!! exactly!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! OMG..someone READ the Book! brilliant!!! :)

I always thought that bit was hilarious. I love the tent scene. It's going to be great having the three of them together like that with all the tension simmering away.

Especially because Taylor is, again, so awesome! I love thinking about Jacob with Taylor's NM performance in mind now. Just awesome.

taylors performance was just mediocre to me. Its not that hard to play a bipolar teen boy who is happy to see bella one second and then mad the next. All he has to do is act like the teen boy that he already is.

Taylor will be funny in the tent scene, but rob will still steal the show cuz in the end no matter how u look at it, eclipse is all about edward and bella.

I agree! Eclipse is about E/B firstly and foremost! The tent scene is funny and it is somewhat important, but to me it is no where near any real important scenes in this franchise.

OK, you have a right to feel that way but I don't think anyone had it easy in this film. Even Rachelle, who had no lines, had to express a lot in her scene. Taylor could have easily relied on his abs and been a lackluster Zac Efron type character, but he wasn't. He was the real deal here.

There are countless people here, Team Edward fans mostly, who have said that Jacob bored the heck out of them in the book yet Taylor's performance changed their minds about him one hundred fold. That says a lot, I think.

Oh I know...Taylor actually made me enjoy Jacob
in new moon as well. He played a different version of Jacob from
the book in a way that made me accept Jacob a little more.

I won't even say rob or Kristen do an incredible job (Rachelle does an amazing job though) cuz I dont think any of the big 3 portray their characters accurately. Taylor has made me accept Jacob
more and I thank him for that but I can never say he or rob or kristen for that matter are incredible cuz I don't think those 3 totally understand the books and their characters like their fans do.

But i I have to be mad at somebody I guess I should hate rosenburg
cuz she is the one that is always writing the script and messing it up.

How don't you think they portrayed their characters correctly?

And before you answer that, remember spaces between paragraphs are your friend and you should consider posting in bullet form LOL.

Haha i have written way longer than this, but no i don't know snowy.

Guys or gurls :), how do you stand writing all these long post ? LOL :)

i can do this all day haha...these books just make u think so much

that's true. btw i like your posts :)

sorry i was typing on my iPhone so sometimes my whole spacing thing doesn't work out. And sometimes i push enter when i don't mean to.

I can't ever knock the actors and their acting like the critics do b/c the critics don't understand the story and they haven't read the books.

Kstew pretty much acts like the bella that i see in my head. Obviously, the version in my head is a little different, but i could never be as mean as the critics are. Kstew is an amazing actress and she acts the way she does, cuz she is portraying the character bella. Thats why its called acting for goodness sakes. I don't think kristen portrays bella correctly when she is being interviewed. Bella is not in love with jacob in new moon (she is not hiding this hidden love). She realizes she is in love with him in eclipse, but to say that bella is absolutely in love with jacob is ridiculous. No matter what team u are on, i think u can agree that bella is not absolutely in love with jacob.

Lautner was always a good version of jacob and though i am annoyed that he is not 6' 7" and doesn't have this deep voice like i had imagined when reading the book, i understand that its not his fault. I don't mind that he seemed to play a nicer version of jacob in new moon b/c he isn't the one that writes the script and summit totally wants to give out the impression that new moon and eclipse is all about the stupid love triangle. But jacob, just like kristen, portrays his character wrong to the media at times. He said that bella is torn between jacob and edward, but that is totally non-sense. bella is team switzerland...she is torn b/c she wants jacob as the friend and edward as her lover. I see no instance in eclipse when she is torn on eclipse...again i think no matter what team u are on, u cannot dispute that bella was always going to pick edward no matter what.

Rob...well rob is a tough cookie cuz in real life he has the lowest self-esteem ever. Rob plays edward way too depressing at times and he believes that edward is more depressed than stephanie meyer believes. He has gotten into fights with meyer over this idea. I was ok with edward being a little depressed in new moon cuz obviously he hates what happened with jasper and then at the end, he hates how much he hurt bella. But i think he has to watch not to make his character too depressing cuz after all edward is supposed to be that perfect guy that all these teen girls at home reading ooze over. I look forward to seeing how he acts in eclipse and i think he will most likely pull it off, but in interviews for new moon, i wish he would have stood up for his character a little more. The mere fact that rob is on team edward tells me that rob thinks so low of himself that he knows he could never be like edward.

Going back on taylor lautner, i am trying to accept him more and more even though i hate his character, jacob. But, when i watch him in interviews, he seems to love this love triangle thing a little too much. Its like he wants his character to end up with bella and he portrays that the love triangle is a bigger deal than it really is. Somebody asked him about BD, and it was like he totally forgot that his character falls in true love with a half-vampire baby.

I just wish these actors would more accurately display the themes of each book. The love triangle thing might be a good sell for some movies, but twilight already has a big fan base and we all know what the books are about so there is no reason to throw out more dramatic themes like the love triangle that aren't a big part of the story. Most of eclipse is edward and bella back together in love again, and really jake and the love triangle doesn't truly enter the picture until the tent scene. Obviously, before the tent scene, jacob has kissed bella but bella wasn't too happy about that. The tent scene and what happens after with bella kissing jake for real shows the love triangle finally coming to life, but its still not a HUGE part of the book. The love triangle is quickly over with even after bella admits that she's in love with jake cuz bella knows that she cannot live without edward. But i'm happy that after jake gets the kiss, he finally gets the idea that he will never be with bella.

I love all the actors (even taylor), but i think they have to watch what they say and realize that out of all the characters, the fans know the big 3 the best so u have to portray them correctly.

As for the supporting cast, such as rachelle, all the cullens, the wolfpack, etc. I have to say that they are surprisingly awesome. when i read the books, i totally see ashley greene as alice, kellan lutz as emmett, etc. etc.

I just wish they wouldn't try to modernize the twilight saga at times and make it seem like its all about the love triangle and bella making a choice and bella being totally in love with two guys. Cuz thats not the point of the books and bella isn't totally in love with two guys. Saying that bella is in love with jake means alot to our modern day society cuz in love has such a strong meaning, but in the world of stephanie meyer, bella was so much more than just in love with edward. Edward was her eternal lover and she was more than just absolutely in love with him.

Let me know if u have any other thoughts cuz after all these are just my opinions and i can be wrong in some areas.

oops i meant to say that the mere fact that rob is on team jacob....

Dude, are you related to Snowy? I thought her re-reads were long.

<grabs a cup of espresso and digs in>

You can imagine him acting like a git, Edward trying to be all understanding but really being too much of a p*ssy. Edward was way too understanding about the Jake thing. He let their relationship develop without one word about being jealous. The girl has vowed to be with him for eternity, I think he was entitled to be a bit possessive. What if he was running off to visit Tanya every time Bella turned her back?
I think Edward must have been in agony when Bella was with Jake because on one level he wanted her to be with someone more human, but he's so in love with her, it would have been tearing him apart.
I actually don't blame any of them, I think the situation was unavoidable and feel bad for them all.

I think Bella don't deserve to be sorry for her in Eclipse. In New Moon yes, totally. But in Eclipse and BD, well, she has these two amazing guys, ready to sacrifice everything for her, and noone makes her choose one of them. What to be sorry for?
I'm sorry for them. Look how she tortures them. She doesn't make it in purpuse, of course, but it's cruel. Really

Oh no, I blame Bella. She strung these two along and especially used poor Jacob when if she was a better friend, would've let him go after NM was over. Dang it! If the genders were switched and a guy was doing this, you know we would all hate him. And it's not even that she was confused. She knew Edward was it and she still let Jacob in, knowing how he felt about her.

will you stop painting Jacob as a victim already? Bella may have "played" with Jake, but he ALLOWED IT! remember when you are pointing one finger at Bella, three are pointing at Jake, and Jake was a manipultive, male chauvantist pig in Eclipse, so don't bring up exuses for his behavior.

Um, if you feel that way, that's fine. But I don't.

Bella was wrong for how she played them and I think the reason Jacob acted so forcefully was because this is the first time he felt this way about anyone and couldn't control all of his emotions. He was wrong for being so overzealous all the time but Bella knew all along that Edward was it and she would not let Jacob go.

Just think about it. If Bella were a guy and did this, would you still feel the same way?

If we want a good BD, everyone please sign this petition, Thank you!

why Mellissa Rosenberg is so big problem for so many people? Come onnn, the movies are really good, and, well, the script is made with the approval of Stephanie Mayer herself!!! So what's the big problem?

I think the movies are good to a certain extent but they are so in spite of her. I explain here. Please take time to read it. :)

http://www.newmoonmovie.org/2009/11/melissa-ros...

You're right about some of things. I didn't made enough attention to their speech in Twilight, because I read the books after I had watched the movie and I haven't seen NM yet. I'll think about what you had written.

And later, I'm planning to give our petition it's own Twitter account. I have to figure out the details then I'll post the link on here.

LEMME KNOW WATS THE TWITTER ACCOUNT NAME PLS...I'M @RIRIDIMPLES ON TWITTER :) U CAN KEEP POSTING IT SINCE NEWMOON HAS BEEN TRENDING WE CAN MAKE BREAKING DAWN TREND ALSO

I'll let you know as soon as I set it up. Thanks for offering to help. We want to make BD the best it can be, pass the link on if you can-

http://www.PetitionOnline.com/nmmpet/petition.html

Woo! YES! WIN LOL!

Like always computer dork blocks everything that is good...

Can't see d video :**(

Happy Good Friday I went to Wal*Mart I got the New Moon game for $5.00!!!

Oh I can't wait for this movie!! But I'm like torn.. I don't know if I don't want to see previews and leaked scenes.. or if I do.. I guess we'll know that when they start coming out... AAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH! hehe.. it's early.. and I'm still tired..

LEAHHHHHHH!!!... yayayayayayay

EClipse my fave Book...TENT SCENE my fave Scene!!..

i cant wait to see the queen of wolves kick some Butt!!..

haha i do heart the wolf pack!!!! nd tent scene oh my lord!!!!!!!!!!!!!! 7 months ppl!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! : )

4th??

3rd? awsome now i need 2 watch the vid ;)

Good day, people! (sorry, I'm being random today)
Now lemme read the article and watch the video.

Three words....

Filmed Tent Scene

Nothing else is needed to be said.

*goes back to clean up spilled coffee*

*chokes on bagel and spills coffee* Dammit now I have to go get 2 towels! 1 for the coffee and 1 for me. It is BOILING in here! *wipes sweat with towel* More towels, please.

Coffee

*takes a sip and almost drops coffee mug at hearing Taylor saying he had fun filming THE TENT SCENE*

Dude, I'm so WIDE AWAKE NOW. They filmed the TENT SCENE!!!!

Space Heaters, unicorns & dragons for everyone!

Kristen says Bella is deniying the she loves jacob in new moon and exxcepts it in eclipse-well she is partially right.
1. Bella is not really denying ANYTHING in New Moon. She doesnt know there was anything TO deny. Before Edward comes back, all she sees is a POSSIBILITY of it
2. She denys it through out most of eclipse and at the END realizes she does.
3. that is why i hated the ending of New Moon so much. They RUINED the ENTIRE romantic plot of the next book. SHe SHOULDNT had said "I love you" to jake, and SHOULDNT have said she chose Edward.
4. Chris Weitz did great with New Moon. Melissa just had to screw everything up...

i'll take 5 space heaters and DRAGONS!!

please! :)

Space Heaters, unicorns & dragons oh my!